Why Do Christians Insist That Hitler Was an Atheist?
I have had several Christian commenters in the past and present, insist that Adolf Hitler was an atheist. Most, if not all, never even bother to submit any proof to their illegitimate claim. Do they base this claim due to the horrible atrocities? Just because we like or dislike a person’s actions, do we alter the label of that person’s religious beliefs? Why do we feel the need to excuse/distance our religious affiliation from madmen like Hitler? Is it out of shame or just plain denial? There are certain facts about Adolf Hitler that simply cannot be overlooked.
Facts
1. Adolf Hitler was raised and baptized as a Roman Catholic in the midst of a Catholic family. He also served as an alter boy in the Catholic church.
2. Hitler wrote in his book, Mein Kampf: “. . . I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord’s work.” He made essentially the same claim in a speech before the Reichstag in 1938.
3. In 1941 Hitler told Gerhard Engel, one of his generals: “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.” In fact, Hitler was never excommunicated from the Catholic Church, and Mein Kampf was not placed on the Church’s Index of Forbidden Books. Yes, the Catholic church supported the Nazi movement and the killing of millions of Jews. There probably were an undisclosed/unknown amount of atheists killed also.
4. Regarding atheism, Hitler specifically opposed it in a 1933 speech in Berlin: “We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
5. By order of the Führer (Hitler), Nazi Germany’s soldiers (Wehrmacht) wore belt buckles inscribed “Gott mit uns” (“God is with us”). An atheist would never demand this.
With just these five facts out of many others, why would they still insist that Adolf Hitler was an atheist? Only total ignorance would support such misguided statements connecting him to atheism.
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“There probably were an undisclosed/unknown amount of atheists killed also.”
Not undisclosed or unknown.
Approximately 23,100,000 atheists were killed.
All military or civilians of the Soviet Union.
Probably not that many, as I’m sure not all people in the USSR were atheist despite it being forced on them. But still, the number would be in the millions.
23 million atheists killed in the USSR? Check your facts. Stalin brought the Russian Orthodox Church back into favour in order to boost soldiers’ morale.
And on the subject of whether Hitler was truly Christian or not, consider the SS. These people were to be the elite of a pan-Germanic society. And they were required to renounce their Catholic faith, if they had been baptised in it.
Himmler thought that Nazi Germany’s final enemy was the pope in Rome.
If Hitler thought that religion was a means to an end, how could you say that he believed in it?
“If Hitler thought that religion was a means to an end, how could you say that he believed in it?”
You think everyone who perverts religion for their own causes should get lumped in with atheists? Should atheists who pervert secularism then be lumped in with Christians?
This is a counter-argument to the “oo! looky! atheists are EVIL!” argument. Self-identity has a lot to do with this conversation, I believe. And I daresay most of those in power believe less in their faith than they profess to, viz. Machiaveilli.
I think you are conflating things too quickly. I think Hitler was an atheist, if only because ultimately, he wanted the German people to worship the nation, the party and himself. I do not believe that atheists are evil, and I don’t see where you need a counterargument.
What I see going on this discussion is an attempt to prove that Hitler was a christian, and therefore do two things: demonstrate to atheists that nothing evil has ever been connected with atheism; and that the christian religion can be safely associated with all that is wrong with the world.
To answer you directly, I don’t like it when people and ideas “get lumped together” with other things that may or may not be related. That is, to me, a lazy approach. The author of the main post uses some weak points to suggest that Hitler was a good catholic all along. This is as simplistic as to suggest that Hitler was an atheist, that all atheists are therefore Hitlers-in-waiting, and therefore you should not be an atheist. You wouldn’t accept this reasoning from christians, and I don’t accept the reverse from atheists.
Signed, an atheist
Nobody said that “nothing evil has ever been connected with atheism”, nor that “the christian religion can be safely associated with all that is wrong with the world”.
That you inferred those things says more about you than about the point at hand, which was nothing more than a simple refutation of an oft-repeated fallacy.
You cannot force someone to be an atheist. You can take away their place of worship, but you cannot erase a belief by denying them of that place.
Christians always like to pretend anybody who did anything bad wasn’t one of them. Even if the person was a clergy person while they engaged in the barbaric acts they’re known for, the Christians will use the “s/he wasn’t a True Christian, no True Christian would do ABC and XYZ”. It’s a mind game they play. It perpetuates the notion that Christians are always good and non-Christians are evil scum who can do nothing but wreak havoc on the decent people of the world.
Thankfully while many of their kind accept it and play along, most atheists are on to them and set them straight.
You keep using this word good??? what is your reference point for good or bad????
Utilitarian theory:
Good – Something that maximizes happiness
Bad – Something that does not maximize happiness
Kant’s theory:
Good – A rational act
Bad – An irrational act
I can keep going but I think you get the point that it depends on your ethical theory.
Silly goose. Without God there obviously is no good or bad. Without god, mr. ‘hi’ over there would be skinning babies and eating them for breakfast, while he porks his mom and tortures his father.
Thank god for god.
There are millions of godless people in this world today. Have you heard of one case of an atheist “skinning babies”, as you say?
Pretty sure Ralph was being cheeky.
You should read Plato- The Euthyphro would be a a good start.
lol, no. the euthyphro would be a waste of time.
the Republic would be the best place to start. The Greek Gods were ultimately an expression of human beings conviction that since humans were in fact someone and not something that they ultimate ends should be in the hands of someone and not something.. However Plato saw ultimate reality in the forms, which were ideas springing from the ‘Good’… hello communitarianism.
Hello Ralph, or should I say “brainwashed”? God do not set the standards for what is consider “right” or “wrong”, it’s PEOPLE that decide for themselves what is right or wrong. It’s science that reveal to you the truth. Thanks human for science! Praise holy DNA!
There is no god.
But there always is the Deli Lama.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Much as I agree with your objectivism, I’m gonna have to call Moore’s Open Ended Argument on both of those theories I’m afraid.
Go Virtue ethics!
Kant’s categorical imperative is shit. Kant gladly admitted that his theory would require one to hand over an innocent to a killer under certain circumstances. Utilitarianism, or Social Contract theory (while flawed) are more workable ethical standards.
And, your description of Kant’s ideas are too simplistic.
Good and bad is bullshit – everything you guys think about good or bad depends on “What is socially acceptable” that is all.
Good is what the Deli Lama transmits to other prophets telepathically through passive revelations. Bad is what he leaves untransmitted.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
That’s DALAI Lama. The DELI Lama make sandwiches that taste divine.
OK. Killing of the Jews and gypsies by Hitler is, in many peoples’ opinion, “good” under both Kant and Utilitarian theories.
On what do you base that? Kant’s theory revolves around the belief that human life is absolutely sacred. Humans should never be used as a means to an end, since they are an end in themselves. Utilitarianism holds that whatever results in the most net happiness is what is morally correct. It’s very hard to see how genocide causes more net happiness than letting people live, no matter how much hatred might exist.
Dont pretend you know who true Christians are. People who represent themselves as Christians and yet dont live the life are not Christians at all. Its not a mind game, its just contradictory in itself to even be considered a real Christian and yet engage in such barbaric acts. You get it straight.
AND, Hitler was Catholic, that is a different religion from Christianity. Do some research before you make assumptions.
Catholicism is a form of Christianity. You don’t think they use the Crucifix for kabobs, do you? Peter was a disciple and the first Catholic Pope.
Is it starting to sink in now?
Is your username “bookworm” an oxymoron?
Nice!
sorry man Peter was not the first Pope. Unless Catholic’s crucify their Popes upside down.
FOX’S BOOK OF MARTYRS
CHAPTER I
History of Christian Martyrs to the First General Persecutions
Under Nero
IX. Peter
Among many other saints, the blessed apostle Peter was condemned to death, and crucified, as some do write, at Rome; albeit some others, and not without cause, do doubt thereof. Hegesippus saith that Nero sought matter against Peter to put him to death; which, when the people perceived, they entreated Peter with much ado that he would fly the city. Peter, through their importunity at length persuaded, prepared himself to avoid. But, coming to the gate, he saw the Lord Christ come to meet him, to whom he, worshipping, said, “Lord, whither dost Thou go?” To whom He answered and said, “I am come again to be crucified.” By this, Peter, perceiving his suffering to be understood, returned into the city. Jerome saith that he was crucified, his head being down and his feet upward, himself so requiring, because he was (he said) unworthy to be crucified after the same form and manner as the Lord was.
Sorry it’s a lot of info. hope this is helpful.
You realize that he was the first pope, though, despite later agitprop, right?
Here… http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=5358
Argue with these people about it.
Tell that to a Catholic! Tell them they aren’t Christian.
Anyone who recognizes that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and son of God is, in fact a Christian. This includes all types of Catholics, Protestants, Amish, Mormons, Mennonites…even the Jews For Jesus.
Actually, it is not the fact that you recognize Jesus as the Messiah but the fact that you accept Him into your heart as the one true savior, as the only way back to our Father in Heaven, the creator of this world. A “true” Christian doesn’t believe the “good versus bad” because all people are sinners, including Christians. We CANNOT be perfect – we have a sinful nature- which is why God sent His one and only son to become sin for us and to die on the cross for us. Many people mistakenly believe that if you are not Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish or any of the other non-Christian religions (which actually includes Mormonism) then you are automatically a Christian. As for the person who said all Catholics are Christians, that is not true, many Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, etc. may say the same thing, but every denomination of Christianity has people in their pews who are not actually Christians, they may believe it in their head but unless you know Him in your heart then you are not a Christian. We were not sent here to Judge but to love all just as He loves us, we are to be gracious to each other, forgiving of each other and to give Him the glory in all we do. Anyone who is posting hateful comments while claiming to be a Christian should sit back and think about how their words reflect back on Jesus and then prayerfully consider if their heart truly belongs to God. As Christians we should be praying for hearts to be softened to His word and to Him and for God’s word to reach those who do not know Him. While I do not agree with ‘Proud Atheists’ or Mark, it is not my place to judge them but to be a witness to them by showing God’s love through my actions. Those that judge are taking God’s job and saying they can do it better. I’ll get off my soapbox now. Hope you all have a very blessed evening .
Well jeep, I understand your concern…but your big guy in the sky probably already knows about me. I can promise you one thing…I won’t be talking to him, bowing down to him,etc.
Nor do I desire yours or anyone’s testimony of faith.
No matter what the subject is, there’s always some Christian offering their wares of fallacy.
I didn’t ask for it, don’t need it or want it..
My apologies, most of that was actually aimed at jeffrey illg and his comment about all Catholics being Christians. Still hoping you have a nice evening : )
Holy bad theology batman…
I do not beleive in all powerful deities,but that was an excellent comment.May you be blessed as well.
One of my Sunday school teachers doesn’t believe in a deity and yet really likes Jesus and his teachings, and how he was departure from the social construct of the time. He, of course, doesn’t disclose his lack of belief in God.
It is not necessary to believe Jesus fulfilled a prophecy or is the sone of God to believe in his teachings. Being a Christian is about following Christ not Moses or Paul or… There are some good things taught by Jesus, but I don’t like the parables of the Ten Minas, Wicked Servent and Fig Tree. Take what you like and leave the rest.
“Tell that to a Catholic! Tell them they aren’t Christian.”
I am a recovering Catholic, a victim of twelve years of Catholic schools, and I can definitely tell you that Catholics do NOT lump themselves in with other Christians. They consider themselves a cut above and separate from the heretic Protestant masses. I was told, on more than one occasion and in no uncertain terms that I was NOT a “Christian”, I was a Catholic, and that people who called themselves Christian were all going to hell.
Allfather Odin tells me I can forget all that stuff now.
Jeepgirl, most of the Christians I know who talk about it being only necessary to accept Jesus in their hearts are people who only care about themselves and don’t give a damn what happens to anyone else.
Catholiscism is the second oldest form of christianity (after Gnosticism) you putz.
the catholic church is the surviving remnant of the orginal christian faith founded by saint peter jesus’ apostle. from it schismed many tangled branches
Religion Family Tree…all protestant churches are bastard step-childs of the catholic church.
http://www.harriscovenant.org/mod/cms/images/family-tree.gif
The protestant churches would consider themselves the true Christian offspring of a corrupt Catholic parent.
All Christian churches, like all other religions, however, are based on nothing but idiotic superstition.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Gnostic sects may have existed earlier than the First Century BCE, thus predating the birth of Jesus-Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism
Hey dickhead… if you want to be taken seriously, learn how to spell check… catholocism… DUH!
You mean “Catholicism”.
Catholicism is a BRANCH of Christianity, not the other way around. All Catholics are Christians, not all Christians are Catholics
Thanks for informing the less informed!
Catholics not Christian????! You better hope ignorance is not a sin.
Many Christians feel that their own brand of Christianity is the one true version of the languages and that members of other similar churches are not really Christians at all.
This is merely a manifestation of intolerance that is typical in the Abrahamic religions, all of which suck really bigtime!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Oh, shit! I meant to say “Many Christians feel that their own brand of Christianity is the one true version of the religion and that all members of other similar churches are not really Christians at all.”
Sometimes I write my posts very late at night when I am exhausted. I wish I could edit them instead of adding errata notes.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
When I went to Catholic school, I was told that I was not a CHRISTIAN but a CATHOLIC, and that anybody who was not a Catholic was going to hell, and that this included the Lutherans, the Methodists, the Baptists and all those other guys. I was punished for asking whether or not we weren’t Christians, too, so I left the Catholic Church. Unfortunately, I had to stay in Catholic schools for several more years.
Stupid generalization: usually stupid sentences that take the following form : always .
Examples:
Christians always like to pretend blah blah
Atheists always do this and that.
Isn’t generalization the mother of all screw ups and the characteristic attribute of the stupid pigeonholing ideologue?
They do it for the same reason they try and convince you that Einstein was a Christian. For members of organized religions, the opinion and thoughts are very important. They read a book, believe it in its entirety (or just the parts that suit their lifestyle, whatever) and then spend the majority of their Sunday listening to other people talk about their opinions on it. All of which are very closely aligned to their own. It’s self-supporting and self-preserving.
For those of us who are not prepared to blindly follow the teachings of others, we are less concerned with whether x historical figure followed x belief. I personally couldn’t care less whether Hitler, Einstein, Stalin etc. were atheists or theists. It has no bearing on my beliefs whatsoever. To me, it seems like a pointless argument.
“I personally couldn’t care less whether Hitler, Einstein, Stalin etc. were atheists or theists. It has no bearing on my beliefs whatsoever. To me, it seems like a pointless argument.”
You’d be surprised at how many, um, members of organized religions see things as you do. I’m Catholic, I don’t think Einstein was. I don’t give a shit, the dude was smart and humanity owes him a lot.
You aren’t special.
Maybe in the short bus way, but whatever. Have a great Easter!
Einstein was Jewish.
Actually, while he was born into a Jewish family, he was non-obverant. He was essentially agnostic.
I’m assuming, of course, that we are speaking about his personal views on the subject and not his religious affiliations.
Einstein came from a Jewish family. He never joined a Christian church.
The best evidence indicates that he disliked all organized religion. It is possible that he had something like a pantheistic conception of God, of course. But it is also possible that by saying that God did not throw dice in his creation of subatomic particles he was merely referring to the underlying mathematical description of matter, which he felt, unlike Bohr, could not be based on statistical chance..
When Einstein was alive, people would be more heavily criticized for coming out as atheists than they are now, so he might have been making nice noises about God to merely to remain socially acceptable.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Actually, the “Gott mit uns” slogan came from the World War 1 ones, which also bore the phrase, if I recall correctly. So religion wasn’t the primary goal, it was more a nostalgic act.
Whether out of cynicism or conviction, the leaders of wars like to convince their followers that God is on their side. In our case, this is illustrated by the words “Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord” from the Battle Hymn of the Republic. (Northern Christians of that time were convinced that it was God’s will to put an end to slavery. They ignored the parts of the Bible that approved of it.)
When we created and trained the Taliban to fight the godless Communists, we told them that they owed it to Allah to defeat the Russians. They internalized our teachings well and are now using them to inspire suicide bombers to fight against us.).
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I’m Catholic.
I always thought he was also Catholic; I’m likely wrong, but I don’t really care. I haven’t heard that any of us insist that Hitler was Atheist.
> I haven’t heard that any of us insist that Hitler was Atheist.
Try to discuss with believers from an atheist position and you’ll hear it daily.
I think that Hitler was a complete cynic. He found it useful to justify what he did by saying it was God’s will.
We ourselves were also complete cynics when we motivated the Taliban to fight the Russians by saying that they owed it to Allah to struggle against their godless communistic society.
Unfortunately, our cynical manipulation of these Muslims has now come back to bite us in the ass. I think we deserve it.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Of course Hitler was christian. In the bible, the jews were supposed to be the ones that put jesus up on a cross. Therefore, Hitler thought he was doing Gods work, by punishing all those of that religion, and any other religion that wasn’t christianity.
Crucifixion was a Roman practice of punishment, not Jewish.
But was it not the jewish that persecuted him in the first place?
Jewish high priests turned him over to Pontius Pilate, a Roman governor.
Ah, ok. I’m a bit rusty with the Bible. I used to know it, but now, not so much.
Also, Pilate said 3 times that he saw no fault in Jesus Christ. The Jewish people told Pilate to crusify him, so Pilate did as the Jewish people wanted, knowing that what we did was wrong.
People do bad things. Just because someone is a certain religion, and thinks he/she is doing the work of God, doesn’t make it right. OBVIOUSLY. So, just because Hitler claimed to be doing God’s work, doesn’t mean he was ACTUALLY doing God’s work. Also, and obvious fact. So why are we comdeming relgions based on certain people’s mistakes or mental sickness.
I condemn most religions because they fill people’s minds with deluded ideas which cause ignorance of facts.
But then Pontius Pilate handed him over to the Jews. He gave into their demands of “Crucify him!” and what not. The Jews wanted him dead. That is what he is trying to tell you.
Pilate obviously reached the conclusion that if he saved Jesus’s life, he would have a widespread rebellion on his hands and made the pragmatic decision to give in to the people who wanted him killed.
I admire Pilate for his intellectual honesty in publicly proclaiming that Jesus, since he was not arming his followers to resist the Romans, was no threat to the Roman state.
The Romans were quite tolerant of the customs and religions of the people they colonized as long as they did not resist Roman political rule. Even Trajan in a letter to Pliny said that he should not make any special effort to molest Christians if they did not interfere with imperial politics.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I found this link through reddit, btw. I didn’t bother reading your blog post – just the headline/link, so apologies if you actually answered your own question within.
It’s too bad Christians make that stupid claim. I think they read that Social Darwinism and Eugenics played a huge role in the development of Hitler’s world-view and assume atheism.
I am a christian and whenever someone says he was an atheist, I *always* quote numbers 1-3 to them. It always leaves them dumbfounded…This is an awesome article and I hope tons see it. (By the way, I stumbled upon this) =] Christians aren’t supposed to play the “good/true christian/ bad christian thing. Its supposed to be that if you’re a christian, then you’re a christian.This is primarily why I don’t go to church and because of the idiots that have the “Put the Christ back in Christmas” signs in their yard at Christmas time. Duh, X means Christ..=]
You don’t have to go to church to be a Christian. Christianity is, as corny as it sounds, a relationship, not a religion.
Here is an awesome church with an awesome pastor. You don’t have to step foot in the church it is online.
Check it out.
I don’t need people with mental illnesses teaching me about their imaginary friends.
Nor do I ride the short bus.
you know what, I am going to do something very scarey to you. I am going to pray everyday, for the rest of my life, (let that be long for your sake) “that God opens your heart and eyes to him and his son, Jesus Christ. In His Name, Amen”
Hope to see you in heaven
And I’ll THINK for you.
Your spells aren’t scary to me, as they have had no effect on anything.
You call it “prayer”. I call it “talking to yourself”.
You know what? I’m going to ask you a question.
If your Jesus is alive and can do anything….why can’t he heal amputees??
A Christian answer is that He can. The real question is if He can, why doesn’t He heal all the sick and injured?
I (a mere human) can do many things I do not do. I assume this is true for other beings including other humans, and any possible supernatural beings. As I said the real question is Why?
Unless of course you meant your statement as a rhetorical putdown in order to squash the arguement without being able to rationally refute it.
Go ahead and do this if it makes you feel good. But prayer is merely a form of psychological masturbation and accomplishes nothing.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I pray every day. I say, “Jesus, please save me from the people who worship you”.
I hope you’re not holding your breath…
Prayer is like spellcasting…both are childish acts based on mythology.
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Besides, this isn’t a church bulletin board.
You tell them about the Israelite census? Hehehe… Couldn’t resist that one.
Hilter was an opportunist. He believed in what gave him more power. He originally wanted to use the Catholics as the scapegoat, but there were to many Catholics. He used the Jews because there was already a huge anti-antisemitism movement in Europe. He also had a personally hated them from his past and they were not Ayran.
Pope Pius XI actively opposed both Mussolini and Hitler until his death in 1939. Some have said that Hitler wanted to bring back the old Norse beliefs and have the church ran be the state. He believed in the power of the state to control the live
I could go on but it is in the history books.
Besides, more Christians have been killed this last century than the entire history of Christianity. It just does not happen in the West, so it is ignored.
The point of the article can easily be dismissed if you just do some simple research on the subject.
James,
Slow witted revisionism will get you no where fast. You don’t have a single “fact” right here. I assume that when you say “history books” you mean “Christian propaganda”.
Hitler was always a committed, professed Christian (and a self hating ethnic Jew). Goerbels was interested in Norse theology, but Hitler had no truck with that. Hitler had a strong connection with the Catholic church (Pius made a specific choice to stay quiet and allow the Genocide).
Of course, it is likely dumb to try to convince you.
And in which propaganda book did you find the “facts” that Hitler was a committed, professed Christian and a self hating ethnic Jew? Hitler was raised in a Catholic family but as an adult did not profess or practice the faith. There was propaganda by his enemies that his paternal grandfather was a Jew but modern historians do not accept the rumour as fact. Even if true, because Jews trace their ethnicity through the mother’s line not the father’s, Hitler would not be considered an ethnic Jew.
Mein Kampf and speech transcripts.
And in which passage of Mein Kampf did Herr Hitler refer to himself as a Jew?
The other point I cover in a comment further down the thread.
His Jewish heritage is a rumor. His grandmother worked for a Jewish family and became pregnant, but the father was not Jewish according to her. Adolf’s father was Alois Heidler(?) and later changed to Hitler.
I can understand why Pius kept silent about the genocide. If he had actively protested, Hitler would have been very happy to bomb the Vatican into dust, and Pius knew it.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I consider various responses that atheist can have to this oft-repeated claim.
http://conversationalatheist.com/challenges/the-most-effective-response-to-hitler-was-an-atheist/
As you have seen, facts seem not to matter all that much. Even if the facts are granted, you get a new tangent about how atheists have a basis for calling Hitler evil.
Imagine every time that a genocide/mass murder/etc. is used to criticize atheism the immediate response questions how the theist can possibly find himself worshiping a God that’s as evil as whatever example they used.
Christians cannot have it both ways: Condemn genocide & praise God.
Atheists can: condemn genocide & God’s a genocidal asshole (if only as a fictional character).
Jesus never existed. Hitler did. Israel is just as oppressive as Nazi Germany was, easily. now let’s go find that bunny that lays chocolate eggs, I’m hungry.
you guys are a bunch of coconuts. no one gives to tits about what you have to say. ur just a bunch of posturing pseudo intellectuals, who like to voice their idiocy on message boards. and the person who quoted himself at the top of the page is an enormous ass hat. if you have to quote yourself dude it means what your saying is probably stupid, nearly incoherent, and expresses no original thought. really i’m ashamed grow up
You speak for all? You were interested enough to read and respond.
That quote is mine and it’s original. Maybe you should stick to watching “Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader?”
Quoted from above “So, just because Hitler claimed to be doing God’s work, doesn’t mean he was ACTUALLY doing God’s work.”
Wait, couldn’t the same be said of Jesus and everyone who “supposedly” wrote the books of the Bible?
And yes, I’m one of those people who believe the Bible is a book which has been modified to help the establishment control the masses. FACT: A group of “religious” leaders selected which texts should become the New Testament. They were in power and afraid of losing power so they chose the texts they felt would keep them in power. Everything in the Bible is about doing what “we” want you to do. Many times it contradicts itself while other times people just chose to ignore what they don’t want to follow. Hypocrites all.
Too many people have been slaughtered, murdered, raped, tortured, robbed and abused in the name of religion. ALL religions.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned it’s that christian religions have taken from other older religions to make something they call the Bible. Facts are there for anyone secure in themselves to open their eyes enough to see the truth.
Word.
God exists in all of us, and in everything around us, you don’t need a book, or a church, or to kill anyone to become one with god and yourself, to see the truth.
just get fucking blazed, and meditate on the source of all things.
Big up the herb.
A total crock. Let’s see your evidence.
Obviously, you have not yet been enlightened through a passive revelation from the Deli Lama!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I long ago had an argument with a fundie who insisted that Hitler was an atheist. I preented many quotes from Mein Kampf and various speeches by Hitler in which he professed his Christianity. The Xtian response was to claim that Hitler’s actions didn’t fit with his understanding of Christianity, then Hitler wasn’t a “real” Christian. It seems that epistemology varies: chrsitians have different values than rational people.
Like we atheists just make up this stuff about Hitler.
Exactly. As far as fundamentalists are concerned, if Hitler did bad things then he couldn’t be a Christian. Only Atheists do bad things (or maybe Muslims Jews, other). They don’t care about truth.
Atheists need to shout this stuff out loud.
As I said before, Hitler was utterly evil and cynical. And whether he believed in Christianity or not, he certainly had no compunction about using its teachings to get the German people to support him.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
We in the West like to argue who has the better ideology. But we don’t spend too much time applying our ideology to real world situations.
The country where there are the most killings and rapes is the Congo. Dare I call it the Quiet Holocaust.?
But there is not too, much discussions about it the Congo in the mainstream media or in the religious vs atheist debates. That’s because we all benefit from it. The use of slave labor to extract diamonds and other natural resources from the country. In the meanwhile the people are killing each other using the weapons the Untied States, Europe, and Israel are selling to them.
I am a Christian and do not think Hitler was an atheist. Nor do I care. Was he an evil man by most standards? Yes. Did he die and go to heaven or hell? I do not know. Any Christian or any person who reads the scripture knows that is not our decision to make. We are not the judge of any man/woman. That is God’s call to make. Please stop seeing Christians as the people you see on the internet and on television. Most of us believe in a caring and saving God. One who offers forgiveness and love for all who accept it. Please give us a chance and do not fall into what you read on the internet. And please look at all religions or any alternatives including atheism before accepting anything. I hope Christianity will speak to you, but as the scriptures say “If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” In some circumstances, of course, it would be better to walk away, as Peter did (Acts 12:9). Nor is it wrong to voice an objection, as Paul did (Acts 23:3). Jesus is teaching a principle, not a rule that must be kept in a rigid way.
The problem is two parts.
1. That people insist things that they don’t know or assume.
2. That you assume that because someone goes to church, their family was from a church, or that they profess religion, then they are in fact that.
Sorry, from personal observation, many profess many things and yet are not. Even the Bible states that many will claim to be Christian in the end times… and Christ will say, depart from me I know you not.
So what? Quit using others to justify your choices. Christ is yours to follow… or deny, your choice, no one eles’s!
Jesus loves you, and so do I.
I will pray for you.
“Prayer: How to do nothing and still think you’re helping”
I love that quote!
And I don’t love Jesus! Raul is cool, though!
Mark, I really like the first sentence in your post. It can be turned into a definition worthy of Ambrose Bierce: “Prayer: The art of using futile and often meaningless incantations to convince yourself that you are helping something or someone when you are really doing nothing.”
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I’m still praying for you.
One day, your eyes will be opened to the Glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. I can only pray that it will happen before it’s too late.
And we are all still telling you to get up and stop talking to yourself. Your delusions are a form of mental illness, you know that, right?
Oh yeah, still waiting for any of you bible bangers to come up with ANY evidence to support your Iron Age superstition.
he based his genocidal ideas on DARWIN’s theory of evolution, so he was most certainly not a Christian.
As for “Atheist…” there’s no such thing. An “atheist” is just someone who hates God.
You’re kidding, right? Am I on “Candid Camera”?
You are a dipshit.
A. Darwinism has no bearing on religion.
B. many Atheists are not Darwinists.
c. You are a moron.
D. QED
I think it is very unlikely that many atheists reject Darwinism. Most of us are great admirers of science.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
First of all, evolution had nothing to do with religion. There are Christian, Muslim, and Jewish biologists who have no problem reconciling their ideology with science.
Second, “Social Darwinism” is a completely meaningless term used by fundamentalists who have clearly never studied evolution, or, if they have, are shamelessly lying to their followers by distorting it into some weird ideology.
So to make things clear: There is NO SUCH THING as “Darwinism,” “Darwinist Biology;” not even “Darwinist Evolution”.
There’s evolution, and Darwin just happens to be the first to figure out some of its major laws and formulate a cohesive theory around these observations. The theory of evolution has changed drastically since the days of Darwin, and is still changing; just as are gravitation theories since Newton, and quantum theory since Einstein.
And, for the love of Beavis: “Darwinism” has nothing to do with any social or moral law!
Darwin simply described laws of nature (i.e: animals which are better suited for their environment are more likely to procreate, and thus pass on those traits).
Blaming Darwin for Eugenics is like blaming 9/11 on the Wright brothers.
Evolution is not set of moral or philosophical rules, it says nothing about right or wrong, nothing about what race is better than another; all it does is describe how an aspect of nature works.
That’s all a scientific theory is: trying to understand how a group of observable facts that seem related relate with one another.
And you should check your definitions. An atheist is someone who doesn’t believe in a god. It logically follows that it is impossible for an atheist to hate God.
That would be like you hating Santa Clause, or unicorns.
Some atheists may hate religion, but not God, seeing as they do not believe there is a god.
And to use Dawkin’s illustration: everyone is an atheist to someone else’s god. You are an atheist to Thor and Apollo and Zeus. You do not believe they exist (nor do you hate them.)
I am an atheist to Thor and Apollo and Zeus as well, but I’m also an atheist to Jesus, Yahweh, or Allah, etc.
So really we have more in common than you think. Why do you not believe in Zeus? If you do not believe in those gods, why is it so hard for you to understand that I don’t believe in your god?
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http://noamgr.wordpress.com
Darwin never used the term “survival of the fittest”, the phrase most associated with what people call “Social Darwinism” – the phrase was used by the “natural philosopher Herbert Spencer, an apologist for ruthless capitalism, who used the phrase and published on the concept while Darwin was still on the Beagle. It incorporates the concepts of Thomas Malthus, also pre-Darwin, and were exotlled in Andrew carnegies work “The Gospel of Wealth” a paean to unbridled greed.
Wow, these fundies are completely insane. Looks like this whacko watched “Expelled”. C’mon you loon, do your homework and stop quoting nonsense.
And let’s be clear, Atheism is simply “without a deity belief”.
In all my years of education (currently a second semester Sophomore in college) I’ve actually never heard anyone say Hitler was anything but Catholic. This is including Church services I attended. This is the first time I’ve ever been introduced to the notion of an atheist Hitler.
Guess I grew up around a lot of smart.
I couldn’t begin to tell you how many times I’ve read about Hitler being an atheist. Welcome to atheist blogdom.
haha, I’m actually a Christian, but I’m pretty laid back and like to see whats going on on the other side of the fence. Call it curiosity.
Christians also claim people who were ultimately not Christian as great Christians. C.S. Lewis is a perfect example–while he was a member of the Christian church for most of his life, he died an adamant Taoist.
While some of us claim “once a Christian, always a Christian,” I don’t believe that’s true. If you turn away from Jesus, if you deny him, then you have never really loved him at all.
These are big problems with Christianity. I am a Christian, but I’m (trying) not (to be) a hypocrite. I’m going to call out other Christians if they falsely represent my faith, not because I’m judgmental but because spreading false information hurts us more in the long run than it could ever possibly help.
Lewis is interesting, He was an atheist. Converted to Christianity. Became an annoying apologist. Gave up Christianity. Became a Taoist.
Interesting.
It is very interesting to see how converts, whether to or from Christianity and atheism, can become exceptionally militant.
I learned about Christianity by attending a Missouri Synod Lutheran school from the first to the third grades. My teachers widely dissed the Catholic church, hiding, of course, the outrageous prejudices of Martin Luther himself.
I found out about the disgusting behavior of protestants before reaching age 12. I myself especially detest Christians because so many of them diss me for being gay, so I feel I have a perfect right to diss them back through ridicule and attacking the legitimacy of their religion in any way I can.
I understand that many gay people describe themselves as Christians. As far as I am concerned, such people have serious self-esteem problems. I wish the Christians that diss us would all go fuck themselves–with a dildo wrapped in razor wire!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I’m gay too, and have been an atheist all of my life. Helped when I was growing up that my family are not from a Christian tradition and are not great believers in the supernatural. There was always a safe and supporting haven at home, both for the atheist part and the gay part although culturally the latter was a little harder for them in some respects.
Have always wondered what it felt like to believe or try to believe and then move on.. For most of the former believers I have actually talked to about this, the realization and acceptance that you don’t believe is a personal and solitary transition. I don’t think that there is an atheist version of Christian “witnessing”
I don’t understand gay Christians either, although I know quite a few.
It just occurred to me that gay Christians who seem to have the closest relationship with their imaginary Jesus friend are much happier than those who are more in the grip of the dogmas and proscriptions of their church.
As far as I am concerned, any gay person who joins a religion that says he is a piece of shit has very serious self-esteem problems!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I’ve got a quick answer to your question:
-Because Christians are easily brainwashed and they don’t know how to think for themselves, even when information smacks them in the face.
So many fools so little time.
And?
And you found the time to write six words.
Zacka, that is way beyond wacky about CS Lewis.
As for Hitler, he was an atheist – he strove against God and God’s people , the Jews.
And the 23 million atheists killed in WW2…most of them were oppressed Russian orthodox believers. They were only communists just because Stalin terrifed them.
Atheism has no moral code and leads to genocidic tendencies – Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Phol Pot testify to that in the 20th century.
BTW, the Allied were originally known as the United Allied Forces of Christian Nations in WW2.
Happy Easter. Christ is risen.
Yeah right.
Just plain stupid.
Using Hitler as an atheist is just another biased opinion against atheists without foundation.
Hitler was hardly a devout Christian nor did he consider himself one. He was nominally Catholic. The real point is, his faith has nothing to do with any atheistic or theistic argument.
Just because someone who was technically a Christian became an evil dictator and authorized genocide doesn’t mean Christianity is somehow responsible. Plenty of people get the message of Christianity wrong and also happen to do terrible things.
I would also argue the same thing about atheism. Some Christians argue that Mao/Stalin/Pol Pot etc. were atheists and therefore somehow atheism is responsible for or tied to their actions.
Belief or non-belief doesn’t reliably correlate to how good or evil a political leader is. Period.
You bring up some very valid points, CorkscrewBlow. I congratulate you!
Hareigh Kyson Jr.
I would also like to note that I don’t think I would enjoy blowing a corkscrew at all!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Sorry, but if you follow these dangerous cult beliefs as written, then you are very dangerous. Belief in the supernatural rants of Iron Age nomads with no understanding of the world/universe does make one far more dangerous.
Okay. Where to begin. Peter was not the first pope, although the Catholic church deemed that honor on him years after the fact of his death. Whether or not he was crucified on Vatican Hill is not pertinent to whether he was a pope or not. That is where the Roman soldiers happened to have him imprisoned at the time, (they were in control of the city) History 101. So it was convenient for their dirty little deed. And, contrary to most popular belief, Christians, even in the days of Paul, view the Catholic church and its many pagan rituals as being “unchristian.” Please don’t categorize all Christians into the mold. Some color outside of the box. And, as for Hitler, all I can say is if an apple looks like an apple, then it is an apple. If you call an orange an apple, that doesn’t make it so. Hitler was no Christian, For that matter, if you live in a glass house, don’t throw stones…why don’t you investigate what you put out there as fact, also.
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=5358
It’s a Catholic site, tell them. It’s their Pope!
Lol Catholics.
Sorry, that was uncalled for…
Your point with this? It proves what exactly?
Nice post. Nice site!
Yeah, the Roman Catholic Church really supported the killings of quite of few Jews, maybe not 6 million but w/e. Pope Pius XII supported the Nazi cause so much that he bothered himself to make up baptismal certificates for Italian Jews, and helped to hide Jews in the Vatican, chuches, and monasteries… Yeah, Pius XII really supported the Nazis.
Also what corkscrew said above “Belief or non-belief doesn’t reliably correlate to how good or evil a political leader is.” Well said!
Sadly, I think many are sadly misinformed as to what Hitler was.
Wow, Mark. You really opened up a can of worms.
Christians can’t stand it when one of their own makes them look bad.
Very true!
I think what floored me the most is the people that claim Catholicism is not a Christian religion.
I guess they forgot Martin Luther was the father of Protestantism…the guy that left the Catholic church.
It floored me too, but didn’t surprise me. I have also heard Protestants aren’t, Orthodox aren’t, Nestorians aren’t, Gnostic aren’t, Coptic aren’t, etc. ad nauseum.
Arggh! narrowmindedness and ignorance, they drive me crazy!
That’s because materialism has become their god.
People say they believe out of habit and expectation, but rarely worship their deity.
I’m not referring to all, but to many of the general populace.
They’re always ready for a fight or argument, but they do not possess the knowledge to defend their own faith.
That’s the sad part.
Yes I agree, it is sad. Stupidity is an acceptable excuse, ignorance is not.
I’ll be happy when the world abandons religion and simply lives spiritually. As agnostic, I will simply say I don’t know, but the atrocities of ALL religion has made me believe that humans as a species have failed and our religions and politics have proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Human arrogance started when somehow we believed that we found favor with nature just because our brains were larger.
Unfortunately, I don’t think we will ever abandon religion. It is fairly easy being an atheist in first-world countries, where most people can count on being adequately fed and clothed.
In third-world countries, where existence is more precarious, religions are more popular because people feel their religions give them an edge in their struggle for survival. (They don’t do this, of course, but the deception offered by religion is psychologically comforting.)
If we ever have a third world war and bomb ourselves back into the stone age, you can be sure that many new religions will emerge among those of us who survive and that religion will become even more important as a psychological crutch.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
One is not an Agnostic when it comes to Atheism/Theism. You either have a deity belief or not.
I’m an atheist, though I’m unconvinced by your evidence. Hitler claimed he wouldn’t invade Poland, why would you believe what he had to say about Christianity? Catholic youth institutions were absorbed into the Hitler Youth shortly after all the other organisations. Monastic Catholicism was a target of the holocaust.
The best way to deflect the “atheist Hitler” argument is to point out that the atrocities were predominately carried out by Christians, in a predominately Christian country, a point for which “God With Us” is valid evidence.
1. Catholics aren’t christians. Learn your religons. Two if your an athies you should be praising him for making the human race “stronger”
Tell a Catholic clergyman that they aren’t Christian.
Why do Catholics have crucifixes then? Reading is fundamental.
Atheists love Hitler? Catholics aren’t Christians? Jesus Christ…
Is there any point to debating you on this? It’s clear you have no understanding of atheism, Catholicism or evolution. I doubt that you’re planning to go and learn more about these concepts either.
I didn’t think they could wrap up that much ignorance in one person.
LOL, get a clue. You couldn’t be more wrong.
While it is true that Hitler was born into a Catholic family and was baptized, it is also true that as an adult he did not attend mass or follow the common Catholic religious practises. He did pay the “church tax” that was collected by the German government but that was a matter of law and not his choice.
In his writings and speeches Hitler both speaks for and against religion and Christianity, but then he was a master propagandist so it is hard to believe anything he said was a true reflection of his beliefs.
Hitler never said “I am a Christian” or “I am an atheist” or even that he had not position on the subject. Some of his writngs seem to indicate some sort of religious feelings but others speak of social darwinism and natural order.
So I conclude that today, without complelling evidence either way, there is no way to know what Hitler believed.
You didn’t read Mein Kampf.
Yes I did, and I read speeches, watched movies of his oratory, and read documents detailing some of Hitler’s private conversations. The man both spoke for and against religion, christianity in particular. In Mein Kampf he says”Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator…” And there are many such quotes. But Hitler is also on record as saying ‘Christianity is an invention of sick brains…” and there are many such quotes.
This man was a propagandist, he said one thing and later said or did the opposite. I offer this example from a speech to the Reichstag, 30 Jan. 1939, “No one in Germany has in the past been persecuted because of his religious views, nor will anyone in the future be so persecuted.”
Ack!
You make some excellent points! As I said before, Hitler was a completely evil and utterly cynical man who had no compunction about using religion to get the German people behind his nefarious programs.
We used the same kind of religious cynicism as we trained the Taliban to fight the Russians. They took our teachings to heart and are now using them to fight us. As far as I am concerned, we are getting what we deserve!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Some people don’t want to be associated with Hitler, others use it to demonize atheism. They fail to realize that religious affiliation, or lack there, of does not connect people.
At least, that’s my understanding.
I also don’t understand all the Christian bashing in the comments. It’s not like Typical Human Behavior is something attributed only to that group of people. Bigots and idiots are everywhere. Placing it on one group of people is bigotry in and of itself, thus makes one guilty of what they’re speaking out against.
why do all atheists believe all those who say they represent christianity in the media?
ALL atheists? You know ALL of us? I don’t know you!
ALL Christians believe Hitler was an atheist? You know ALL of us?
I’m still praying for you.
“I have had several Christian commenters in the past and present, insist that Adolf Hitler was an atheist. Most, if not all, never even bother to submit any proof to their illegitimate claim.”
I’ve never heard of such a claim before. Do you have any proof that any Christians claim Hitler was an atheist?
I have visited many sites over the years and have witnessed and commented to this accusation many times.
Hitler, like Polpot, was just a creation of society that it reaped. Racism breeds racism.
FINALLY! A real answer.
I have not heard anyone blatantly say what Hitler believed… in the religious arena. I do know that christians certainly have one of the WORST track records of any religion (inquisition, crusades, conservative racism, etc..). Hitler’s mind is still up for debate among a lot of historians and the two biographies that I have read about Hitler illustrate that “we” have come to understand Hitler’s reign by looking at the results. This is not a good way to deduce the true nature of a man, since he certainly had conflicting interests when he was in power (obsessed with self protection, perpetuating war and genocide, has hatred for certain types and orientations of humans, etc.) whatever his motivation, in the heat of the moment I do not believe that his religious views took higher priority in his mind than the down to earth situations that faced him.
In short, my answer to the question of Hitler’s religious ideas is that we do not know (that is the first lesson -Socrates) nor can we determine Hitler’s afterlife destination, assuming there is an afterlife.
And the since the “catholic isn’t christian” statement reared its head…. Catholics are christian, and protestants are christian. But those are blanket statements and terrible generalizations (no one likes those) because ultimately being a follower of Christ comes down the commitment and the relationship that INDIVIDUALS have with their Savior. You will know the true christians by their fruit. I know very few people (in my “Christian” environment) that display any signs of fruit. The atrocities of the christian church are, at the root, caused by the large institutionalization of religion as a tool in the hands of man determined to use it for their own purposes…case in point.
-Ian
P.S. The question of good and bad cannot be easily reconciled unless each man views the circumstances with the same worldview (or starting point in their mind’s reasoning).
Off the top of my head, I’d venture to say Hitler believed in Odin and Valhalla. Or the German equivalent.
Yeah, he was a big fan of Germanic mythology (he liked Wagner), though I have the feeling he didn’t believe these gods had any historical existence.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
He may have called him Catholic, but he certainly held no beliefs consonant with Christ’s church. Anybody can call themselves a Christian and support infanticide, as we have seen here in America.
The reason Christians do not believe he was one of them is because a christian would not do these things. To be a christian, you have to repent and have faith in Jesus to save you. He obviously did not repent if he had no troubles killing all these innocent people. Also, baptism does not make you a christian.
Although baptism is a requirement for Catholic Christians.
A requirement yes but if done as a child (the usual custom) it is considered a promise that has to be confirmed later by the person themselves. And there is considerable debate within faith on child vs adult baptism.
Actually the rite of baptism is much like the rite of marriage, a public act that reflects an internal reality. Just as a wedding does not make a marriage real, a baptism does not make one a real christian.
All I’m saying is that Hitler was a Catholic Christian by religious affiliation. I’m not claiming that he was the devout type, but he did claim Catholicism as his faith.
He lacked the values/ virtues as outlined in his faith, but nonetheless, he was an affiliate.
Can’t refute that Hitler was RC by affliation, and never formally refuted that affiliation (although i think his actions did it for him). Point to you.
I am a righteous Christian. Non-believing Jews persecuted the Messiah’s first followers, thus I was cleansing the world of non-believers and blasphemers. After I killed all the Jews my plan was to cleanse the world of Muslims. But you fools stopped me. God has now punished you with terrorism.
Amazing, saying Hitler was an Atheist is twisting history as much as they guys saying concentration camps never happened.
first, Hitler got major backing from the pope. that alone would be proof enough that he was not an atheist!
second, concentration camps did not only held jews captive, but a lot of ‘none pure’ like gays and yes atheists as well (although the jews certainly took the majority, nobody ever speaks about the other victims).
last, the WOII, as many wars before it, had religious roots. jews are the root of evil because they’re responsible for jesus death.
Why do Communists deny they’re following a Jewish religion, and why do they deny that the Russian Revolutions, funded by Kun, Loeb, by Shiff, Rothschild etc was not a Jewish conspiracy to overthrow the greatest Christian nation on Earth, and install Trotsky, Kaganovitch. Zinoviev, Yagoda, Beria etc in control over 1/6 of the planet while the same people kept America out of the War so that Germany would benefit, and then traded US participation in exchange for Palestine?
This is silly and ignorant. The Nazis knew that Christianity was a threat to them, that’s why they persecuted and murdered many Christian leaders. I am not a Christian, but I can recognize foolish propoganda when I see it. Hitler never professed or exhibited any of the Christian essentials.
Mark, just because you hate Hitler and you hate Christianity is not reason enough to engage in abject lies to conflate the two. Many historians more learned and unbiased than you recognize that Hitler was no Chistian.
You have a decent blog. Why tarnish it it with uneducated lies?
A subject I enjoy talking about is WWII and I have studied it some. Was Hitler a christian? I believe he was raised as a christian and that it had a big influence on his life. I doubt very much that he was a hardcore devote christian but did believe in his version of god. He both used christianity and his beliefs in his version of christianity to control the actions and responses of those in and around Germany. Someone stated he was also a nationalist and yes he was. It is much easier to use religion to instill that view. Look at how easily Bush was able to get the religious to follow him to an illegal and unjust war. No it wasn’t just religious that followed him but it was a larger percentage that was willing to follow with out proof.
I think Hitler went from christianity to a version that had him as only third to his version of god and Jesus. Many of those that followed him saw him as a type of messiah and it went to his head.
Hitler was a traditional religious Christian but not a born again believer as far as I know.
Many fellow Christians use their incorrect belief that Jews were responsible for Jesus’ death as a reason for being anti-semitic. It was actually the Romans who beat and killed Jesus.
The choice by a small crowd of Jews to save the life of Barrabas instead of Jesus was pre-ordained, otherwise we would never have had the Victory of the Cross.
God’s chosen people actually participated in His grand plan for salvation, albeit unknowingly.
Hitler used this misunderstanding to whip up fury and hatred against the Jewish people.
This cruel megalomaniac may well have been a Christian in the traditional sense – baptism, confirmation – he probably hated the Pope because he would possibly have been perceived as a threat to Hitler’s influence and power.
Do youi think Hitler might have been a porn-again Christian? A porn-again Christian is one who likes to watch porn again, and again, and again, and again….
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Why not focus on his stance on gun control? That’s timely, if not as much fun as Christian bashing.
If everyone would just stop and realize that any and all religion is bullshit in the first place, the world would be a much better place. No nazis, no hitler, no terrorism, no suicide bombings, no 9/11, etc etc etc……this entire argument is based on nonsense. Atheism is the key to man’s survival, and honestly, that is common sense to anyone who has the ability to comprehend it.
Can’t refute that Hitler was RC by affliation, and never formally refuted that affiliation (although i think his actions did it for him). Point to you.
Great blog…educational and makes me think too …Thanks
It’s a proven fact that the Nazi movement was funded by the Vatican. Of course he pledged his alliance to the pope and the catholic church.
Actually, I tend to believe that Hitler was a pagan. He believed in A god, BUT NOT GOD! Myself, I’m eclectic. I believe there is much truth to most religions, all truth to none. Christianity comes close, but so does the Native American, Buddhist, some pieces of Hindu, on and on. Islam is a horrible travesty. I’ve been dead. I don’t have any of those “tea with Grandma” memories from it, but I woke up KNOWING there is an afterlife. And it is dependent on the polarity of your soul. Yes, you have a soul. It is what makes you you and me me. Your energy does not stop when your vehicle wears out, it shifts planes of existence. Your consciousness continues on. Your attitude determines which “pole of reality” you shift to. But you do continue on through existence.
No edit button. Remember this from Wicca: And it harm none, do as thou wilt. Remember the polarity factor.
Christians are different from catholics…and some are misguided! Even the devil believes in God and trembles, but you will know them by their fruits.
“Oh come let us worship and bow down; let us kneel before the Lord our Maker.” -Psalm 95:6
God will reign forever!
They are they same in that all are loons. C’mon child, there is no evidence for your devil, god or lord. Get a grip and join the reality based community.
Ok, apologies if this has already been covered, I don’t particularly feel like reading through all previous comments, but the talk page on wikipedia about Hitler covers this topic pretty well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Adolf_Hitler
I’d also say that even is someone calls themselves Christian, in some regards this is like saying “I’m good looking” when you’re in fact hideously ugly – the matter is not for the subject to decide. A Christian is meant to be one who follows Christ and, personally, I find it difficult to say that his actions evidenced that.
The belt buckle in the picture is not WW2 era, it is from WW1. This can be seen from the crown in it. In WW2 the crown got replaced with swastika symbols, but the text “Gott mit uns” remained.
The “Gott mit uns” buckle had nothing to do with Hitler…the German army wore it well before the onset of nazism, since the Imperial days, and the slogan was derived from a Protestant motto.
Is it really necessary to talk about if Hitler is an Atheist?.. well, I mean.. He is dead.
??? peace…
Why do Christians say Hitler was an Atheist? The same reason meat eaters say he was a vegetarian. (He wasn’t, he ate sausages…) People like to give their group identity a moral boost by associating a competing group with an evil person. Simple psychology, I think. As an Atheist and a vegetarian, I have always found the best way to deal with this nonsense is to ignore it, as it has no bearing on my personal choices and beliefs. If the person you are speaking to is so childish and mentally challenged that this is the best argument they can come up with, really they deserve your sympathy.
I highly doubt Hitler was an atheist. It doesn’t really jive with what his ideas were. I don’t think he was a bible-toting, Jesus lover….but do theink he fashioned Nazism as a religion of sorts, for in which he was the father/son/holy spirit.
I think it’s necessary to have a religious background in order to push forth a system like Nazism, and in order to accept it. The basic tenets of religion required an absurd amount of submissiveness to a baseless system of beliefs and a leader of some sort – which is why you see a lot of former/future zealots in these kinds of cultish institution – it lends to emotions they are familiar with.
It can be said that Christianity has an even worse track record than Nazism…..it fact, that has shone historically true, so why is him being or no being a Christian all that crucial? The only important thing to take away would be the levels of belief and the similarities in the systems.
This really deserves more attention…short blog posts and response won’t do this justice.
Why do you insist on caring?
I’m a Christian and I don’t insist that Hitler was an atheist. He certainly did not operate by an explicitly atheist ideology, more of a combination of Christian and Germanic religious idiom.
But, the follow-on question is: How many atheists here accept the role of atheism in atrocities committed by “communist” Stalinism and Maoism? Or, do you insist those were “religions of personality” in a lame and irrational attempt to trump evidence with propaganda, the same way those dishonest Christians who insist Hitler was atheist do?
whether he was an atheist or not is not relevent to his actions, because unlike other atrocities in history such as the witch hunts and the crusades etc which were done in the name of christianity he did not do anthing in the name of atheism because this is a contradiction. Atheism is not just a disbelief in the existence of god it is a belief that organised religion itself is a negative influence on society because it perverts and encourages prejudice. So he can’t have been an atheist!
I like what Dawkins said when someone challenged about this by saying that hitler and stalin both were atheists he replied by saying yes but they both have moustaches are you going to blame it on that.
Simply stated, ‘christians’ only wish to believe what is convenient, even in the light of hard facts. That is why even King James had to have his own version of the bible.
See: http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showtopic.php?kb_header_id=752
It was a marriage of convenience between Hitler and the Vatican, one which disenfranchised the Catholic laymen. As Hitler cynically put it:
“We should trap the priests by their notorious greed and self indulgence. We shall thus be able to settle everything with them in perfect peace and harmony. I shall give them a few years’ reprieve. Why should we quarrel? They will swallow anything in order to keep their material advantages. Matters will never come to a head. They will recognize a firm will, and we need only show them once or twice who is master. They will know which way the wind blows.” [quoted in Guenter Lewy, The Catholic Church and Nazi Germany (2000), pp. 25-26]
This marriage of convenience between Hitler and the Church hierarchy was deeply confusing to Catholics who looked to their church for guidance. Jared Israel explains the signals they received when Hitler was granted a concordat:
“Put yourself in the position of a 1933 German Catholic as you read the text of the Concordat between Nazi Germany and the Vatican, the Reichskonkordat.
“The German Catholic Church has rescinded its ban on joining the Nazi Party. The Catholic Center party has dissolved itself. [And Articles 31 and 32 prevent any revival of this democratic Catholic party which had opposed the Nazis.] In the Reichskonkordat, the Vatican has promised that German Bishops and their subordinates will be obedient to and honor the Nazi state (Article 16). It has promised that German Catholic educators will teach children patriotic love for the Nazi state (Article 21). It has requested and received the Nazi dictatorship’s promise to enforce internal Church decisions (Article 10). Cardinal Bertram of Breslau has called on Catholics to avoid all subversive or illegal (by Nazi definition) activities.
“How should you respond to the Nazi’s new nightmare state? Doesn’t the Catholic Church teach you to view Church officials as exemplary? Shouldn’t they be emulated? Isn’t the Pope’s word law, and didn’t the Pope sign the Reichskonkordat, an agreement with the Nazi dictatorship, that [in Article 16 contains this pledge for new bishops]:
‘In the performance of my spiritual office and in my solicitude for the welfare and the interests of the German Reich, I will endeavor to avoid all detrimental acts which might endanger it.’ ”
This concordat with Nazi Germany was negotiated by Cardinal Pacelli, who in 1939 became Pius XII. Undaunted by his wartime record, the Vatican is now attempting to have him declared a saint. In his ongoing canonisation process he has reached the venerable stage, which is Church certification that he was “heroic in virtue”. Could this be a smokescreen of incense?
Great piece
You write:
“Yes, the Catholic church supported the Nazi movement and the killing of millions of Jews.”
My response o you is that you no more represent all atheistic opinion on any given matter, than Hitler represented the Catholic Church or its people. To suggest otherwise is proposterous and any human being with a modicum of intelligence would be aware of such.
I wonder then, is it merely that you are lacking a modicum of intelligence or are you a hatemonger… spreading ludicrous falsehoods against the Catholic Church?
You’re kidding, right? There is no such thing as atheist opinion. An Atheist is simply someone without a deity belief. No evidence.
Hitler may not have been an atheist, but he most definitely wasn’t a Christian.
I love how you answer as a “maybe” regarding Hitler and atheism… with no foundation to base it, but when all evidence points out that he was a Catholic Christian….you flat out deny it.
Like it or not…it’s written in history.
I have re-opened this article.
“5. By order of the Führer (Hitler), Nazi Germany’s soldiers (Wehrmacht) wore belt buckles inscribed “Gott mit uns” (”God is with us”). An atheist would never demand this.”
“Gott mit uns.” has been the motto of the German people for…centuries. Yes, it has been used primarily in a militaristic fashion. As a matter of fact, use of the phrase traces back to at least the Roman Empire (nobiscum deus in the case of the Romans, of course). It was nothing new that Hitler decided to use it. Also…there’s no verb in that ’sentence.’
In that type of construction, German does not require the use of the verb “to be” (is, or in this case, ist).
—-”With just these five facts out of many others, why would they still insist that Adolf Hitler was an atheist? Only total ignorance would support such misguided statements”
Ok let’s go with the presupposition that Hitler never formally rejected his Catholicism or belief in God. The actions Hitler took speak more about his beliefs anyway. Hitler believed strongly in evolution and the scientific efforts of Charles Darwin. The proof of Hitlers belief in Darwin is found in his efforts with eugenics. Hitler was also a reader of Friedrich Nietzsche and talked about the rise of the Arian ubermensch.
So a catholic who loves eugenics and the ubermensch is supposed to be a Christian????
You don’t understand orthodox Protestant views then or how heterodox catholics are to Protestant orthodoxy.
You don’t understand how Hitler used any tool available to get him into power.
You can not deny that Hitler has more affinity with Nietzsche then any Christian belief. Put more faith in Darwin and eugenics then in any gods.
You may think you have facts but then so do I and Hitler was no Christian in deed or action regardless of if he was and atheist or not.
And can you prove that Hitler was not a Roman Catholic by religious affiliation?
http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hitler.html
http://www.reformation.org/inquisit.html
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699/was-hitler-a-christian
Excerpts from “The God Delusion”, chapter 7… http://books.google.com/books?id=yq1xDpicghkC&pg=PA273&lpg=PA273&dq=hitler+and+catholicism&source=bl&ots=1geL0aKizV&sig=kNmXSNeKZcIcthmHC5KJAJEk4C4&hl=en&ei=WdDlScnMJNq6nAeMt-SrCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#PPA279,M1
Most evidence connects Adolf Hitler to Catholicism. Catholicism is a branch of Christianity.
Hitler and the Reichs leaders were into the occult,norse mithology,astrology,etc.,Hitler was certainly not a Christian.Hes on recoord as saying that Jesus was the illegitemate son of a Roman soldier(interestingly enough this blasphemy is also to be found in the Talmud).Its high time you americans stopped obsessing about Hitler and begin to realize the catastrophic damage which Jewish pseudointellectual,political,”human-rights”,etc. movements,along with the Jewish run media,TV and film industry has subversively inflicted upon the moral,political and cultural fabric of your country.Stop funding and backing the apartheid,artificial colonial state of Israel,if for nothing else than for the sake of your children.The blood of 0ver 60 years of murdered Palestinians is on your hands(no,Im not Arab,Im European,and people for the most part are just as brain dead here due to decades of zionist indoctrination).Its five minutes to midnight.Jews were the key players in the Russian Revolution,and they were responsible for the death of tens of millions of Russians and others,but you dont see any Hollywood movies about them.The reality is that six million Jews did not perish at the hands of the Nazis,the actual number is around one tenth of that.In Auschwitz for example,a plaque read that four million Jews were killed there.It was replaced in 1990. by one that read around one million were killed.Dont take my word for it,look it up.Youve been had,in more ways than one.Realizing it is the first step in ceasing to become unwitting dupes for the zionist agenda.
And your source for this information?
An Aryan handbook?
Ah,yes,another victim of zionist indoctrination and propaganda.For one,read the articles in “The Journal of Historical Review”,theyre on line.Its obvious you havent exerted a minimum of effort to familiarize yourself with long-ago documented facts.Deprogramming requires long and laborious research,and I dont have time to put you through the process.I also was a victim of corporate brainwashing and thought like you up to 1978.Seek and ye shall find.Its obvious that with such flippant remarks you havent even begun yet,happy trails,Mr Mark.
Hitler would have been ipso facto excommunicated anyway. Even if he considered himself Catholic, he didn’t represent the Church in anyway, so why are you atheists pushing to topic so much? Even if atheism didn’t make Hitler what he was, it sure made people like Stalin! Lets start talking about the crimes committed against the Catholics by the USSR!
Ugh, here we go again. There should be a requirement that posters read the prior comments before posting. No, the catholic Church was complicit. Haven’t you read up on the subject, seen the pictures, heard first-hand talks?
Stalin’s actions were not based on Atheism. he was motivated by power and control.
I’d much rather talk about the crimes against humanity committed by the Catholic Church itself throughout its history. These crimes have made the church morally bankrupt.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
A little creative googling will lead to evidence that says things like this:
“But later the diverging paths would be labeled heretical and the bishops in Alexandria, Antioch, Constantinople and Rome would champion their regional distinctions while condemning the others. Eventually there would be bloodshed, and the willful slaughter of saints by saints became an odious hallmark of the Christians, so much so that the sheer number of Christians killed by Christians would, by 600 C.E., vastly exceed the number slain by the pagan Romans in the brutal days of the Circus Maximus (Browning).” [http://faculty.leeu.edu/~mmelton/roleofwomen.htm]
In other words, more Christians have been killed for religious reasons by other Christians than by any other group.
Most people who claim to follow scripture these days are actually Paulist, not Christian, since they quote Paul with the same authority they quottethe words of the Christ. Furthermore, since loyalty seems to fall more along denominational lines, maybe the overall term should not be “Christianity” but “Churchianity”.
Hitler probably did believe in God, but that doesn’t make him a Christian. A Christian is a follower of Christ. His actions during the Holocaust were not Christlike acts.
Just as James 2:19 says, even the demons believe in God, but they tremble. Obviously just because the demons believe in God, that does not make them Christians. Therefore, just because Hitler believed in God and professed to be a Christian, did not make him a follower of Christ.
Obviously, from the things Hitler said, he was cult material, anyway. He had his own ideas about what the Lord’s work is, and they weren’t correct at all. Just like any other so-called “Christian” cult that exists today–they all have their ideas that they want to make correct so they try to back them up by saying their ideas are “part of the Lord’s work,” when their ideas are obviously sinful desires that they want to pursue without guilt.
“…I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord’s work.”
Yeah, um…hello? Hitler was obviously insane. He didn’t know what he was talking about. If you look in the Bible anywhere, it doesn’t say anything about “I command my people to go out and kill all of the Jews…” In fact, the Jews were/are God’s chosen people. Why would God command Hitler to kill off his chosen?
Even though Hitler may have believed in God, that didn’t necessarily make him a Christian. And no matter how atrocious his actions were during the Holocaust, if he accepted Jesus Christ as his personal saviour, he’s going to Heaven! End of story.
Catholicism is a branch of Christianity.
Hitler was baptized.
Hitler was born into and raised as a Catholic.
Hitler was an alter boy.
Hitler was never excommunicated from the Catholic church.
He randomly re-affirmed his adherence to the Catholic church throughout his entire life through speeches, books and quotes.
True, his actions were horrible, murderous and just plain diabolic, but his religious affiliation was Roman Catholicism.
Tomás de Torquemada was a Roman Catholic during the Spanish Inquisition. He had a hand in torturing and killing Jews, Muslims and all other non-Catholics.
His actions were immoral, to say the least. Do we conveniently dismiss him as non-Catholic?
Sorry Kali, but until you provide ANY evidence for your superstitious ravings, your invisible sky-pixie nonsense is total BS. Your god is a lie and your jesus a myth. There is no reason to believe there was a “creator”. Sorry, no matter how much you don’t want to accept it, Hitler was an Xian. Any evidence for your heaven by the way?
I’m always kinda puzzled when people think that faith has anything to do with fact or evidence.
LOL. Exactly. Faith is for the delusional. If there was ANY evidence, there would be no need for faith.
I am not sure why whether or not Hilter was an athiest matters. Honestly…no one knows the heart of anyone else, except his Creator. So, the world may never know the truth. Many people give themselves labels that they can not internally live up to.
Yeah, really. We have no way of knowing for sure whether Hitler was an atheist or not. Quite frankly, it isn’t at all important one way or the other. But it has provoked a lot of entertaining commentary on this site.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Hitler was a bad man. We need to stop people like him from coming to power.
Can we put Pat Robertson away already??!?!?!
I think that Hitler was a great man before his minor Jew problems. Ordering the slaughter of them that is. He did many things for Germany, including re-establishing the economy, trade, and rebuilding it again in general after the rather harsh treaty from WWI. Then again, he undid those things i the end as well I suppose…
Were it not for his warring ways, he’d be a hero today.
I’m fairly certain that Hitler was Catholic. This thread posted by Mark is very informative, though my opinion was formed before I came upon this thread, as probably most of the opinions here are. I admired the fact that he said what he said with candor, and gave factual evidence, and didn’t come in and say things like, “Catholics are not Christians”. That was about the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard in my life.
I suppose I would classify myself as Christian. Though perhaps of a different sort. Atheists are not evil. Nor are they, “misguided” as so many Christians like to say. Everyone should find their own path. I know many Christians that would qualify as, “evil”, and by their own standards nonetheless. Questioning things such as the aforementioned subject, is smart, not evil. More Christians should question their faith, and perhaps look further into why they are worshiping God, not simply just because mommy and daddy said, “Get dressed for Sunday school boys and girls.”
http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hitler.html
GG nerds
Hitler was neither really. He played both sides depending on what was adventageous. He commented both that Germany was a Christian nation, and that Germany had no use for Christianity which he labeled jewish superstition. In other words, he wasn’t an atheist or a christian, he was a politician
right on…good post. for those who like to be informed check out this site:
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html
You have to wonder what drove Hitler to insanity. Was it because of something inherent in him? Or could it have been something his parents did? Or could it have been something related to his religious upbringing?
Many a person has gone crazy because of religion. We mustn’t forget that. They believe that God is telling them to kill in His name. Kind of like what Muslims are doing although it is not God telling them to kill. It is their religious leaders telling them to kill though. I wonder how sane they are.
jews declared war on germany before any of hitlers sick laws. the jews got what was coming for declaring war on what was to become an extremely powerful army. and since christianity was a direct result of Jewish actions hitler was not fond of it.
This is so ridiculous that I am at a loss for words.
Troll much?
Hitler believed in absolutely anything that would help him win the war. He believed in Christian relics to protect his troops, he believed in the occult and pursued several artifacts and rituals to help bring Germany to victory. Hitler believed in mythology (especially a lot of norse and eraly Germanic mythology) which much of the Third Reich was based on.
I don’t believe he was an Atheist (he was too smart for that) but he sure wasn’t what you would call a traditionalist either, not religiously or in any other way.
I like to think of Hitler as the Winston Zedmore (if one were using Ghostbusters as an analogy… and I am) “If there’s a steady paycheck in it, I’ll believe anything you want!” Hitler wanted to win and would have carved a pentagram into his dead mother’s chest if he thought it would help him defeat Stalin.
If Hitler was an atheist, why was he so hot for getting ahold of the Ark of the Covenant? It must be true, because I saw a whole two hour documentary on it!
Why does any of this matter? The argument involving Hitler’s religious affiliation is simply used to bolster a “Guilt by Association” fallacy. If Hitler WERE an atheist, why would that have anything to do with Atheism? Using this logic is the same as saying that since Hitler had brown hair, all people with brown hair are evil dictators.
Hitler was one guy. There are millions upon millions of atheists who are not evil dictators. Atheism didn’t cause Hitler to become an evil dictator. Things are never as black and white as we are led to believe.
Also, by the same principles, Hitler did believe that he could breed a stronger master race. He believed that he could use genetics (eugenics) to do this, and he was right. He could have bred people who were stronger, smarter, faster, etc. The moral implications of that are staggering. In doing so, he thought that he would have to sacrifice much of humanity to create what HE thought was better world. His methods were unconscionable, reprehensible and morally corrupt and lead to the deaths of millions of innocent, loving and intelligent people.
But to say that simply being “evil” was his motivation is simplifying things WAY too much.
Also, that he used (or didn’t use) Darwin’s theories to come up with his eugenics plan doesn’t say anything about Darwin’s theories. Analogy: If someone uses a steak knife to kill someone, does that mean that the steak knife, or the person who invented the steak knife are evil? No. The steak knife is an invaluable tool which makes our lives easier (as Darwinian evolution has lead to many medical advances and answers to many questions of science)
I’m not an apologist for Hitler. I am, however, against oversimplification and false analogies. That he was Catholic or an Atheist had NOTHING to do with his reasoning or methods.
Why Do Christians Insist That Hitler Was an Atheist?
Weil die Idioten keinen besseren sonst Sundenbock hatten! Deshalb. Goldhagen
hatte extra und besonders Hitler demonisiert, aber auch den Vater des Antisemi
tismus: Martin Luther. Luther ist heute besonders in Deutschland auf den hohen
Kurs als Antisemit. Die Bibel wird propagiert, die Genocide, Kriege, Gewalt auch.
Weshalb musst man dann Hitler immer schwarz mahlen? Der Kerl war ubrigens
ein begeisterte Bibelleser, wie auch Ben Becker, Margot Kaessmann, Wolfgang
Huber, Horst Koehler, Barack Obama oder Tutu sind!
Wie konnte Hitler Atheist sein, wenn streng katholisch erzogen wurde??? Er
fand seine Suppe im Deuteronomium.
Adolf Hitler: “Ich habe meine Lehrsatze von den Juden ubernommen.”
Und solche Satze sind heutzutage sogar im Bundestag sehr aktuell wie
auch im Gazakrieg, Irakkrieg oder Aghanistankrieg!!!
Atheist!!!
hmmm…. good job ignoring everything else Hitler is quoted saying… just a small sample for all of you:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941
“National Socialism and religion cannot exist together….
“The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity….
“Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.” (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday
“Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.” (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday
“The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death…. When understanding of the universe has become widespread… Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity….
“Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity…. And that’s why someday its structure will collapse….
“…the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little….
“Christianity the liar….
“We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.” (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night
“The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.”
21st October, 1941, midday
“Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer….
“The decisive falsification of Jesus’ doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work… for the purposes of personal exploitation….
“Didn’t the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it’s in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.” (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight
“Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery…. ….
“When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let’s be the only people who are immunised against the disease.” (p 118-119)
14th December, 1941, midday
“Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself….
“Pure Christianity– the Christianity of the catacombs– is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.” (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner
“There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.” (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday
“It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors– but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie.”
“Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity…. My regret will have been that I couldn’t… behold .” (p 278)
There was no “ignoring everything else”.
The topic title is ” Why Do Christians Insist That Hitler Was an Atheist?”, for which he was not.
His personal Christianity and his public Christianity are the areas of debate.
The only true ignorance spouted is when people insist that he was an atheist. His public stances were Pro-Christianity, while his private stances were rather erratic ranging from devout Catholic to semi-Pagan.
Adolf Hitler: “Ich habe meine Lehrsatze von den Juden Ubernommen.”
Maybe you should have posted the English translation as well.
Criminals of the Bible!!! ( Obamas Inauguration with Lincoln Bible)
1. Bischöfin Margot Käßmann: „Vorbild sein?“
2. J. C. Fest: „Das Gesicht des Dritten Reiches war das Gesicht eines ganzen
Volkes. Die Geschichte des Nationalsozialismus ist wesentlich die Geschichte
des Christentums.“ ( Original German!!! )
3. Bischöfin Margot Käßmann: „Rituale pflegen?“
4. Bischof M. v. Faulhaber: „Das Evangelium gibt dem Krieg einen Waffenpaß.“
5. Bischöfin Margot Käßmann: „Rituale pflegen?“
6. Theologin Jutta Voss: „Die Mordwaffen stammen in der Regel aus den
christlichen Staaten.“
7. Reiner Schepper: „Ohne Belehrung in den religiösen Wahrheiten verwildert
das Volk.“
8. Ron Rosenbaum: „Wenn wir über Hitler sprechen, sprechen wir auch darüber,
wer wir sind und wer wir nicht sind.“
Mr. Mark Permalink, You have Googletransalation!!!
Atheist 100%
Ich verstehe, aber konnen Sie auf Englisch schreiben?
You know, I’ve seen you speak French and German now. Do you actually speak those languages? Or are you using online translators?
No, it’s actually me. I sometimes use a translator to write more grammatically correct.
I lived in Germany for 5 years and I learned a little French in high school.
That’s impressive!
Hitler was a very evil and utterly cynical man. I don’t know whether he was really an atheist or not, but he obviously had no compunction about using Christianity to get the German people to support his programs.
As I mentioned previously, we used the same kind of cynicism about religion to make use of the Muslims’ belief in Allah to manipulate them into fighting against the godless communists who had invaded their country. It worked well. Now they are using what we taught them to fight us.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.