I found this online and just had to pass it along! 
No kid should be without their own!
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Man, this is SO wrong… Jesus was (supposedly) crucified wearing just a big pair of briefs. These striped robes are totally inaccurate. Also, the smile on his face… it doesn’t really match the crucifixion scene I had in mind, especially if we do it according to what the Christian Mythology preaches (sorry, no pun intended here).
It may look like he’s actually enjoying the crucifixion… in a masochistic way, you know.
Anyway, how much for a kit like that?
@Ivar:
Actually the Romans typically crucified people nude. Crucifixion was considered the most degrading and horrible form of execution — it was an exceptionally slow, painful, and humiliating way to die, reserved for slaves and the lowest classes of freedmen. The purpose was not only to kill the condemned but to demonstrate his (or her) low status and to dishonor their remains. Very often bodies were left on the cross to be eaten by birds.
Regarding the loincloth… as usual, Christians have no problem with public depictions of horrific violence and torture, but they blow a gasket over the idea of someone seeing a penis.
It’s only missing one thing: dice. How I am supposed to gamble for this guy’s clothes with no dice? Talk about a let down!
I think that this is an abomination to God,s being, Any idiot that buys this will suffer forever, and ever more. They can and will get what they deserve on judgement day for the rudest thing since HITLER, whoever is gaining money on this crapola, will pay in blood and sweat, so enjoy it while you can, YOUR DAY’S COMING SOONER THAN YOU THINK!!!! Why would you want to portray anything so ridicolous and unforgiving as something that should have never happend??? HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT!! YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO MUCH LONGER, I GUARANTEE!!
Oh so killing upwards of 17 million isn’t as bad as making light of your deity?
I hope I never run into you in public you might have me drawn and quartered!
“something that should have never happened”
I guess you don’t want eternal salvation?
Doesn’t matter it’s a fairy tale anyway.
I think God will forgive you if you pray for your sin’s now. If you try and do it later, it won’t matter? I would really give yourself and real good look in the mirror and stab yourself in the back. Cause that’s what your doing to Christ everytime you make a joke of him. Okay Praise the Lord, Jesus Loves you anyway,Okay, Even if your going to hell with Satan. ASK NOW!
And what meds are you on?
The crazies are out today in full force!
Contrary to your ignorance, I am an atheist.
Boo Hoo. Tissue anyone?
What can I say? You are utterly full of shit!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
This remark was directed at Debora Rincon Lopez.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I know what you’re saying, Hitler was a totally rude jerk! He used to interrupt people while they were talking, like, all the time, and wouldn’t wash his dishes after he used them! His roommates always had to clean them… And don’t even get me started on his driving! He would cut people off without even hesitating!
…
What were we talking about again?
Look, Debra Rincon Lopez, you are utterly full of shit!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
So let me get this straight … presumably, it’d be fine to crucify that doll onto the supplied piece of wood.
But what do you think the result would be if someone, just for the sake of an example, tried to do the same to a barbie/bratz doll? Or to put it another way, it’s alright to simulate a rather torturous ordeal (crucifixion) but it’s not alright (again, just for the sake of an example) to pretend you’re a sword wielding barbarian slaying evil monsters?
If someone crucified a Barbie and posted a pic on the internet, they would be called a “blasphemer” or accused of mockery.
I wish someone would make some porno videos of Barbie and Ken having sex.
(Naturally I would also like to see pornos of Ken having sex with his twin brother!)
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Check out the unrated version of Team America World Police, if you haven’t already.
I think you’ll find exactly what you’re looking for Harleigh.
I have read about brothers who became lovers. This can easily happen especially among gay identical twins. You can call this incest, if you want, but this kind of relationship has no ethical problems. Homosexual brothers, like other homosexual couples, do not produce offspring.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Huh, good point.
Replicated the mythological jesus’ cruci-fiction fable is not the same as using a Barbie doll. The Xian story actually does have a horrific cruci-fiction tale.
And yes, Xians are Iron Age barbarians.
:/ You know, i’m highly offended by the last line of that post. :/
Who gave you the right to shorten the name of a large group of people to something they’ve never approved of? If you’re going to talk about Christians, please, don’t call them Xtians. It’s simply impolite.
Also, we may once have been Iron Age barbarians, but so were Atheists… At least the Iron Age Christians where greatly encouraged to be peaceful and kind.
Well, that’s my rant over. Sorry, i don’t normally bitch like that, but ‘Xtianity’ really gets my goat
On another point, i think this is a hilarious idea XD
Umm…hello? How many atheists existed in the Iron age?
Most who admitted to being atheist were criminalized and punished in various ways, including being killed.
That said, if there will ever be a “holy” (more like history) book for atheists, it will certainly have more horrific tales of execution than the Xian bible. And it wouldn’t even be fiction. So there.
Oh, come on. It is nothing more than an abbreviation, like WTF, for “What the fuck.”
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I don’t think I like you. You make atheists seem angry, defensive, elitist, bitter and demeaning. I don’t like being represented like that. A nice commenter, trying to be as un-offensive as possible asked you and other posters to stop calling him Xtian – a pretty reasonable request, at least for the duration of this thread. There’s no need to deny him a request like that.
Come on. Please don’t goad or harass the religious just because you don’t share their beliefs. Or, if you decide you want to, please don’t get angry at their intolerance. Yours is just as disgusting.
Good on you man. I respect that.
I agree with you Shannon, except for the ‘I don’t think I like you’ bit, which takes you to the same place…
I getting disappointed with atheists who seem to be turning into a cult no different from stupid religionists. Atheists should be an affable lot who have the potential to make this world a better place free from a bitter, insecure, and malicious entity…
I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, but no matter how many cry about it or label me, I will continue poking fun and mocking religion.
Most any war has religious ties or implications.
Most any violation to a group’s civil rights has religious ties or implications.
When religions that talk about peace and God’s love start showing it, only then will I cease.
I’m starting to think that “Xtianty” is a more accurate term, since I see so little “Christlike” behavior in their actions.
I think I saw that one on YouTube. Best thing to ever happen to a Bratz doll.
Hey, Mark … it’s good to talk to you again. I’ve been away vacationing with my wife but I’m back and writing.
Employing the crucify Christ kit would be a really neat religious thing to do for those who are religiously inclined. Christ followers, of course, just smile at this silliness because they know that Jesus Christ died, yes, on a cross, just once for the salvation of mankind, including you and me. And that was a good thing! GOOD Friday … get it?
I can’t believe that you just ‘find’ this stuff on the Internet. I’ll bet you invent some of it.
Silly Xian. There was no historic jesus.
How would you know? The evidence and artifacts are mounting more and more each day that is his existence was real. Oh and John, Luke, Matthew and Peter pretty much wrote their version of the gospel with very little if any knowledge of each others.
You think there is no maker? Lets see if you finally come to senses before you pass on and meet him on the other side.
As far as the crucifix posted above. Do you know the pain and the agony that he suffered for you? Coming to understand this may give you some insight into your beliefs.
Here is hoping you come to your senses! Amen I say and God bless you.
And you don’t know that the crucifixion of Christ ever happened either.
If it did, he was a only a human. Jesus never once declared that he was THE ONE and ONLY son of God.
No Mark people just passed the story down generation to generation. I have attached a little something that might educate you about the fact that Jesus was God.
Oh and one more thing, yes he never declared himself to be the one and only son of god, just the son of god and the son of man.
Scripture clearly says that Jesus was and is God. Philippians 2:6-8 says that Jesus was “in very nature God…but made himself nothing,” and was “found in appearance as a man.” Jesus was in very nature God but took on the appearance of a man. Colossians 1:19 says that “God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Jesus].” John 1:1,14 says that “The Word [Jesus] was with God and the Word was God…The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us…” Jesus, who was and is God, became flesh and lived among us. It is hard to see how anything could be stated more clearly.
Those are not quotes from Christ himself. , are they?
Jesus, himself never claimed to be THE (only) son of God.
Colossians and Philippians were written by Paul, whom had never met Christ.
I continue to find it amazing that so many so called Christians make
comments like this without even knowing what they are talking about.
Here oh lazy one, I’ve done your research for you:
http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/archive/biblicalDates.html
Note that NONE of the books were written during the time that Jesus
was SUPPOSE to be alive. The nearest was some 50 years after his
death.
As far as WHO wrote the books in the bible, try this site:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_Jesus%27_Disciples_write_the_Bible
They knew each other, they were deciples, either one of the 12 closest or
(like Mark) one of the 72 outer circle.
Having said all that, you might also read some of the sites mentioned
here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=constantine+bible&btnG=Search&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.pclinuxos%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&sa=2
If you’re going to believe in something at least know what the hell your
believing in!
Look, phil64, you are utterly full of crap!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I am always confused when I am threatened with meeting God – why would I mind? Most atheists believe that when you die, consciousness ends and there is no after. How could meeting God be worse than that? If he really is wise and all-knowing, he would know better than to send someone to hell for eternity for sixty or seventy years of crimes. We have nothing to fear from God, if he really is as loving and forgiving as you say he is.
Thats a blind statement. Theres like thirty pieces of evidence that julius ceasar existed. Theres over 20,000 for Jesus. Bet you believe Julius Ceasar was around. Even atheist historians don’t deny the existence of Jesus, it’d be like saying the sky isn’t blue! And in all reality, how could a fictional Jesus have had such a wide spread impact AND have so many people simply fall for the fact He was real?!
Outside of the Gospels, what other sources are there that indicate that Jesus existed?
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Eric,
But if Joseph Smith wasn’t the real Prophet, why would so many people become convinced that Moroni gave him the true Message of God!!
Do you see any problems with this logic? Any at all?
I could also extend this metaphor to Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, and Taoism, but I think Mormonism is a good enough example to begin with.
As I am sure you are aware, the only true prophet is the Deli Lama.
The Deli Lama is a former advertising executive who made millions of dollars in his day job. He often meets with his disciples at Cantor’s Delicatessen on Fairfax Avenue in Los Angeles, in the heart of our most famous Jewish neighborhood, known as the Borscht Belt.
Unlike other prophets, the Deli Lama is not into making money from religion because he already made millions in the advertising business.
The Deli Lama has incredibly strong powers of telepathy. Many other prophets throughout the world receive passive revelations from him without knowing their source.
The Deli Lama is unique in being very modest. He doesn’t at all care when other prophets receive his revelations through telepathy without knowing that he is their source, just as long as they spread his teachings to others.
He is truly the greatest religious figure of all time!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
The Deli Lama, who I have written about elsewhere, is a perfect prophet. He needed no angels to give him plates in reformed proto-Tocharian or dictate holy writ to him.
He thought up all his teachings himself through introspection. And he doesn’t need television or radio ministries to spread his word. He simply uses his tremendous telepathic powers to transmit his teachings to other prophets, who are unaware of their true source.
He is truly the greatest religious figure in all of history, and he is completely unknown except to a very small group of disciples who, because of his modesty, have been sworn to eternal secrecy.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Was Moroni given that name because he was a Moron?
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
There’s also the matter of needing extraordinary evidence to support extraordinary claims.
Julius Caesar, all in all, was a relatively straight forward person. What he did was note worthy but certainly was not a miracle of any sort. Therefore the usual criteria for evidence holds nicely and that’s what we have.
On the other hand, we have a man who claims he’s an aspect of the one and only universal deity whose followers claim he broke the laws of physics on a semi regular basis and did magic acts. That requires extraordinary evidence which simply does not exist in any form.
Have any names of those historians to go with this statement or are you sourcing from Kirk Cameron?
He didnt die for your sins he got in trouble because he did something BAD or, to the Xtians, sinned – and he was killed. With some other people.
You know, I was always curious.. how come he got all the credit when theres obviously more than one guy hangin there?
Just sayin.
And I do think this is a neat idea, but Ive done the barbie thing before and it was a bit more fun. Dont get me wrong, I do enjoy seeing a religious icon nailed to a cross every now and then.
Poe? surely . . . right? otherwise, it’s sort of “see what it feels like to be a Roman soldier!”
Must…resist…urge to buy one of those.
Years ago in the early 80ies a German satirical magazin did something similar. The picture of a plastic Jesus ready to be crucified with the title: “Barbie got a little bros.”
Hmm, it might be interesting to dress up Barbie as the virgin Mary and have Ken grow a beard and wear biblical drag so that we could have a crucify Ken kit.
And it would be really cool to have Barbie kneeling in front of him as he hung from the cross.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I agree with Rob
– HOWEVER –
I do not know wtf he is talking about
Wow. German satire.
Christians eat the flesh of Christ and drink his blood on a regular basis as one of their most sacred and cherished rituals. I don’t see why a little Christ crucifixion kit should pose a problem. Rather the opposite. It provides a nice visual aid for the whole passion and crucifixion thing especially if you buy the optional Stations of the Cross package. Is Mel Gibson behind this?
communion is a symbol. at my church, we tend to do it whilst having supper afterwards, and everyone just grabs a drink and food. it doesn’t achieve anything with God. so it’s not a sacred ritual. In fact, i believe i had creaming soda last time =D
Transubstantiation.
Yes, Christians do practice a form of symbolic cannibalism. I could never understand why they don’t find this utterly disgusting.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
JEW ON A STICK!
Where can I order this great religious educational toy?
fuck all you cunts and i find this image horrible and evil!
burn in hell fuck tards.
Awesome comment!
Yeah, utterly awesome!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Makes me wonder why i ever left Xianity!
Don’t worry. Probably in time he will receive a passive revelation from the Deli Lama.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Spoken like a true forgive and forget Christian.
So is this an “enhanced interrogation” kit or a “torture” kit?
Perhaps next Christmas we will be able to by an official CIA waterboarding kit.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
So, this kit turns a kid
into a crucify christ kid?
hahaha “jew on a stick” this is so wrong. why am i drawn to it?
I’m just excited about the fake blood!
That’s a nice night gown Jesus is wearing. Those son’s of God were damned fashionable in the ancient World.
“fuck all you cunts and i find this image horrible and evil!
burn in hell fuck tards.”
Tee hee, your words are perfectly demonstrative of how you and your mom are totally wasted on an error. This hell that you sentence people who aren’t as ignorant as you to spend eternity in is a big sham. I can’t believe you fell for it. But why wouldn’t you; any jerk who wants to curse peoples souls would fall for it.
I gave up on imaginary friends, but this kit looks cool! I would like to see a battery powered pump to move the fake blood (they had to use goat blood back then) to the eyes.
It pains me to see this. This is modern day mockery of Jesus (just like the Roman guards and Pharisees did.) Most of you don’t understand the entirety of crucifixion and the total punishment Jesus endured. I would urge you to show greater reverence to the Creator of the world and who He sent FOR you. Understand that this JESUS you mock paid the price for YOUR sin. Understand that and ask for forgiveness.
Oh really…he paid for my sins? That’s why I need to ask for forgiveness? Don’t you find any irony in that?
What about the Hebrews of the Old Testament? Are they all sinners? Moses? Noah? Abraham?
Everyone is a sinner. However the Israelites as Gods people in the OT were forgiven differently. id have though you’d understand this…
Im getting confused by your blog… see, i live my life, im happy. you live yours, doing what makes you happy. but at the end, if you’re right, we both die, we’ve had fun, good stuff. but if i’m right, i live for eternity with the God of the universe, and you loose massively. So why be so passionate about being atheist?
Because the Christian doctrine of living forever is bullshit.
So is the vampire doctrine of living forever.
As you have shown in these remarks, Eric, the Israelites in the Old Testament were viciously ethnocentric!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
The Israelites weren’t forgiven. Moses, Noah, etc. were forgiven because they had a direct covenant with god.
At least that’s what the crazy jeebus people taught me!
Verstehst du, ?
Ich wurde ein Wort in seinem Kommentar. Das ist alles.
I swear, it’s like trying to teach a Fundie that there is no god. He just won’t have it.
Sorry I’m losing it I thought this was elsewhere on the page
Sehr gut!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Seltsam, seltsam.
Oder sonderbar?
I would put some German phrase here, but I’m from the South; thus, I can barely speak English.
How about, “Y’all er a bunch of commies”?
haha
I hope you weren’t serious about that, Mark. You write English really very well!
Harleigh
I meant to say that Michael, you write English extremely well.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Thanks. But, I was kidding.
To explain, in the Methodist church that I left they taught us that Abraham, Moses, Noah, and the like were granted salvation due to their service to/relationship with God.
IDK sounded stupid to me too.
I’ve got some important news for you, Eric. When both of us die, we will simply cease to exist. We won’t even have the neurological equipment to know that we are dead. And I am confident that withing fifty years or so, no one except genealogists who draw family trees will know that we were ever alive at all!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Not only is there irony, there is contradiction. He paid for your sins, so you are sin free, but you still have to beg forgiveness for your sins.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
‘Jesus’ died for his own sins not mine. I will die for my own sins, thank you. And how does a nappy haired Jew in the Middle East end up with a Spanish name?
Actually Jesus, if he existed, died because he was an alternative religious leader who was draining away converts from the established form of Judaism that existed when he was alive.
Religious competition is often deadly. It has led to a lot of warfare in times past, and it is continuing to do so now!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Yes, this is mockery of Jesus. You are right about that. What you don’t seem to understand is that there is no evidence that Jesus was anything but a mythical amalgam of tales which predated him. We don’t believe he created anything (nor does the Christian bible for that matter). Asking forgiveness from someone we do not believe in would make us crazier than those who believe in gods, so I don’t think that will be an easy sell here.
As you no doubt know, a lot of the tales in the Bible antedate it. There are all sorts of earlier tales about religiuous leaders being born of virgins and being executed for their beliefs only to go to some sort of paradise after they died.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
So, you’re saying that Jesus was a sacrifice. However, you should know that, of all things abhorrent to the Hebrew god, right near the top of the list is human sacrifice. Why would a god that hates this practice engage in it himself? There is no sense to this idea, and that is one reason why Jews rightly reject it. Christianity is not derived from Judaism. It is a conglomeration of polytheistic myths put together with a mythical Jewish character in the center. It is no accident that the first proponents of Christianity were the Greeks that lived in the region. Many old religions had similar stories of dying and rising gods, Osiris, Dionysus, and Mithras are just a few.
Oh, and people should not use “Xian” for “Christian.” The Xians were a Chinese dynasty
What total punishment?
He basically had a day of pretty bad pain and then had a three day nap. After that he went back to eternal paradise. Part of it isn’t nice, the rest sounds fine by me.
Of course, then you get into the whole silliness of god having sacrificing himself to himself for a concept he himself created and allowed to exist. And said sacrifice actually did nothing.
As the Bible says, “He ascended into heaven where he shitteth on the right hand of God.”
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
So, he was up there for, I don’t know, a day and a half? And how many billions of people have lived and died over the course of human history? So how long did he suffer for *my* sin? A few seconds?
Or, I’ll ask you this, did your god sacrifice himself to himself to satisfy the demands that he created?
Does anything about this story actually make sense?
To begin, I hope this is a forum to have respectful discussion and not rude bantering.
I think we give too much credit to humanity. After all, we’re the most intelligent creatures on Earth. That gives us lots of room to think we’re the best, and ultimately, to think we have no need for anyone or anything greater than ourselves. From my understanding (and in a nutshell), this is the supreme reason for not believing in God.
Why are we this way? Of ALL the species of life on Earth, why do we happen to be so much smarter than everyone else. If natural selection and evolution were true, wouldn’t it be probable that something would come closer to our intelligence level than a monkey or pig? Those are just my personal thoughts.
If you could imagine someone picking up your slack in the workplace (but multiplied by infinity,) don’t you think you would owe that person an apology? In the same way, the whole reason God sent Jesus is to pick up humanity’s slack and make us right before God. There are so many questions to go along with this. I’ll do my best if you want to go on.
As far as Old Testament goes, Abraham and the others had to make animal sacrifices to pay for their sin. According to the Bible, it was the best of their flock. But to answer your question, yes. They were.
Creationism is based in mythology…and so are the stories of Jesus.
Problem with this view is that of all the things abhorrent to the Hebrew god, right up near the top of the list is human sacrifice. So, if this god finds human sacrifice so repellent, why is he reputed to have engaged in it? It makes absolutely no sense.
Christianity is based more firmly in polytheistic mythology than in Judaism. Many old religions have stories of killed-and-risen gods – Osiris, Mithras, Dionysus, to name just three.
Oh, and, by the way, I don’t use the term “Xian” to refer to Christians because “Xian” is the name of a Chinese dynasty…
If you meant to say “Brother Server of the light” the Latin would be “Frater seritor lucis.” If you meant to say “Brother of the server of the light,” then it would be “Frater servitoris lucis.”
If you would prefer to say bullshit slinger, then it would be “funditor merdae taurorum”.
If you want to say “All Christians are all bullshit slingers,” then the Latin would be “Christiani omnes funditores merdae taurorum sunt.”
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Deep down, Christians know that the fairy tales of their religion are too ridiculous to be true. That is why they made blasphemy a crime.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Funny, funny, funny – thank GOD, some people in the world don’t take religion so serious.
If I were interested in reaching some common grounds, would you atleast agree that Jesus was a real human, as documented by history?
And is it true that a significant chunk of atheists believe in intelligent design?
No, that’s not true about atheists believing in intelligent design. In fact, that it just a plain stupid question.
Bye idiot.
I actually don’t know of any atheists who subscribe to the stupidity that is ID.
It’s just bullshit made up by the “answers in genisis” fuckheads.
What else would you expect from people that fundamentally believe in 2000 year old fairy tales.
What pisses me off is their anti-science that they use to convince these idiots that the real science reinforces their myths.
Yeah, that also pisses me off bigtime.
It makes it hard for me to abide by that important teaching of the Golden Shower Christian Church: “It is much better to be pissed ON than to be pissed OFF.”
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I have found that there is no common ground for discussion between atheists and Christians. And there is no documented history of Jesus Christ. Are you fucking serious?
If there is no common ground,
what do you suggest?
Discussion between Christians and atheists always turns into a fiasco. Sorry, but I have no suggestions, except to steer way from religious discussion.
“Discussion between Christians and atheists always turns into a fiasco”
Not entirely true. Sometimes it turns into a fight. Other options are: slanging match, death of atheist by head/desk, ever-expanding list of points, counter-points and counter-counter-points that eventually breaks the internet, proof of Godwin’s Law, naked wrestling match, discussion of pigeon attributes and, on one memorable occasion, an actual honest debate. That last one may have been a dream, though.
Where is the existence of Jesus as he is described in the Bible reliably documented?
A good friend of mine is historian. Once, when we sat together with some other friends we talked about that. Which means: I asked him a similar question you did above. (By the way, we did NOT talk about the Bible, or religion in general. It was just a question of mine, coming up when a “Christian friend” showed up).
He looked at me for a moment, thinking. Then he answered:
“The Bible apart, there is are a lot of hints which may lead to the conclusion that the historical Jesus has really lived.”
Well, you don’t know my friend. But I assure you:
He’s an atheist.
And we’re supposed to get that “warm, fuzzy feeling” because your friend has doubts?
There are hints that many things exist…UFOs, Bigfoot, Ghosts, etc.
Of course not.
You’re not “supposed to get” anything.
The thing is that my friend is a very rational person.
(We know each other for more than 10 years).
What kind of doubts are you talking about?
He just considered the possibility that
Jesus was a real person (besides all Bible Myths).
By the way:
Do you believe in UFO’s?
Well, I do not.
P. S.
In my opinion,
the UFO-Thing is nothing but a modern myth.
What makes me very skeptical about the existence of UFOs is that photographic and video evidence can be easily manipulated and falsified.
Also, no people claiming contact with aliens have ever produced physical artifacts that obvious would have had to be produced by a technological civilization much more advanced than ours.
If such things were ever produced, it would be impossible to keep them under wraps for very long.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
You forgot to mention the Deli Lama’s passive revelations!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Just because your friend is an atheist doesn’t mean he is well studied or informed.
Fixed
Fixed what?
I fixed Michaels’ comment.
Thanks man!
You fixed his comment means that nobody can reply?
You commented on it directly 8 minutes before you asked that question.
Which means …?
I capitalized a word that shouldn’t have been and Mark fixed it.
I capitalized Atheist and I didn’t mean to so I commented on it and so Mark de-capitalized it.
hahahahaha Someday one of 2 things will happen:
1. Everyone will realize that the “bible (and other fictional books)” is and was written to scare people and to teach people so they stay “in line”. And was not to be taken as truth.
2. Everyone will suffer death at the hands of religious zealots and there version of their “bible”
Probably the second, now that we have nuclear weapons readily available the “Rapture” is imminent.
But in this “rapture” people will simply be vaporized into nothingness!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
“The last days” are supposed to be brought about by wars and stuff.
Yes, we could easily be made extinct by an all-out thermonuclear war. And if this produced any kind of “rapture,” the people being killed would simply cease to exist just as all of us will completely cease to exist once we are dead.
Most people find this prospect horrifying. That is the principal reason why they develop mythological systems involving some form of living after death.
The Christian myths, with Judgment Day and the possibility of going to hell, of course, are utter bullshit just like other myths involving survival after death, but the Christian myth of a god that can send you to hell for, say, masturbating and not repenting before you die is perhaps the ultimate in perversity.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
That’s one of the reasons that religion is so dangerous.
Yes of course. If a person believing in the Rapture were president, he or she could very well start a third world war think that he or she and others thinking like him or her would be immediately called into heaven by Christ.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Yeah, religion is utterly fucked up!
Harleigh
HAhaha, wonderful!
Bring back the LIONS! Re-open the Coliseum! I would gladly pay to see Jimmy Swaggert naked running around trying to escape with nothing to cover his withered genitles but his well worn bible. After all, he said he wouldn’t think twice about killing a gay man like me in cold blood and then LYING to God about it so he could remain qualified to enter the pearly gates. Tee Hee! All right, I’ll give him a head start! one two three! Now run you bastard! Ah ha ha ha!
Way to go, acgogo! It is nice to run into another out-of-the-closet gay on this site!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Just about any time I talk with an atheist, his or her argument presupposes the very worldview he or she argues against.
Worldview? Overused word. How can someone learn another’s “worldview” in a matter of a couple sentences?
So do every does Xian’s argument I have ever run across. Now, defend your double standard.
Is this kits for Jews only, or can anyone purchase it?
The Romans crucified Christ. If the Jewish people wanted him dead they would have stoned him.
Pilatus was a politician and he feared social disorder. He acted like a populist.
Let us assume for a moment that Pontius Pilate was a real historical figure.
In their colonial expansion throughout the Mediterranean, the Romans were very tolerant of local religions and local customs, just as long as they did not interfere with their imperial authority. They knew they could not prevail among the people they conquered if they went for totalitarian control.
Pontius Pilate saw now threat to Roman rule in Jesus’ claims to have a kingdom that was not in this world. He made a pragmatic decision to let him be executed because most of the jews around him wanted him dead because he was effectively competing against their traditional religion by attracting too many followers.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Feeling a little deprived, are we?
I would like to get a watch-the-holy-spirit-fuck-the-virgin-Mary kit.
Also, I would like to get some of those same finger condoms that Catholic priests used when they stuck their fingers up the asses of babies (they are red and have a yellow cross on each finger).
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I agree with the first part.
the second made me vomit.
That’s my Harleigh for you. Outspoken, controversial, yet tender and loving. You may disagree with what he says, but you have to agree he’s right.
Karliegh Hyson III
Awwww, shucks!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
True that!
I don’t see how he died for our sins if he lived, like, 2009 years ago. We hadn’t sinned then. And if your God knew that we would, well, that’s kind of a set up, isn’t it? If it’s predetermined that we’ll sin, then God’s just kinda forcing us, isn’t he.
He died 2009 years ago. And now here it is: the year 2009. That’s enough to give anyone a Messiah complex.
Just remember: Jesus died for your sins, so make him proud and sin just as hard as you can!
Wow. All I can say is that “toy” is so disgusting.
It says FAKE blood! Just think of it as a really large crucifix. Who knows? You find the right chain for it, you could hang it around your neck!
Oh realy, chaplain? I find it hilariously funny!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
I believe that Christians and atheists can find some common ground, but it is not going to be found in matters of religion. It will have to be found in the natural world.
@vjack
I sincerely agree with you.
Of course, when Jesus does come back, will we finally have that common ground? Or will people just fight over who loves him the most?
I can see it now:
Christian A: I Love Jesus much more than you do.
Christian B: You’re full of shit. Nobody could love Jesus as much as I do.
Christian A: Take that, you son of a bitch!
(Christian A slugs Christian B.)
Christian B: What did you call me? A son of a bitch? Take that, asshole! I can’t wait to see you rot in hell!
(Christian B then shoots Christian A.)
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
They should make a Noah’s Arc kit that comes with a boat and 120,000 vertebrates.
The Noah’s Ark kit could be an excellent educational tool. Obviously the pairs of 120,000 vertebrates could not be stuffed into the ark. This COULD start people thinking!
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Why so many nails? That’s what’s bugging me. Surely any Roman executioner worth his salt would only need three?
Maybe the rest are for voodoo…
You forget. This crucify Christ kit is sold to people who haven’t crucified anybody before, so it includes extra nails just in case the first ones get bent out of shape as the crucifier makes his initial attempts to hang Jesus on the cross.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Excellent educational toy I reckon, are they selling at a reduced price now Easter is over?
No, they are saving these Crucify Christ kits to be sold as Christmas presents.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
If you happen to break the toy, will it mend itself three days later?
Only after being wrapped and anointed….then it goes back to the great skydaddy.
I don’t believe that this is what the Deli Lama taught. (You can see my brief biographical statement about him earlier in this series of posts.)
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Mark, I knew it:
A real atheist speaks German.
Hay ateos verdaderos que hablan solamente español.
Existem verdadeiros ateus que só falam Português.
Existen verdadeiros ateus que só falan galego.
Hi ha ateus veritables que només parlen català.
Ci sono atei vero che parlano solo italiano.
Es sind echte Atheisten, die nur Deutsch sprechen.
Er zijn echte atheïsten die spreken alleen Nederlands.
Der er reelle ateister, der taler dansk og intet andet..
Der er reelle ateister, der taler svensk og intet andet.
Det er virkelig atheists som snakker norsk og ingenting annet.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
It’s a joke, you dolts.
Hi. So first I want to say I’m not here to convert or change minds. But Im a christian.. and I think this is kinda dumb ^^ you know the “kit” thing. I just think it is kinda offensive. Because you know jesus really did die for you and loves you and I don’t think people would really take christ’s death seriously if it was just some kind of toy they could play with. And another thing i wanted to touch on was the comment that said god predetermined sin, and he forces us to do it. It wasn’t predetermined, because god had the Garden Of Eden where there was no sin, and we were living there with him. But the fact is He gave us FREE WILL, no the forcing of sin. And he gives you the free will to be an athiest, and that just shows he doesn’t force you do to anything, he just wants to love you and give you everything he can. But he never wants to force you to love or sin. He just wants a relationship with you, the rules don’t matter, religion doesn’t matter, the only thing that matters to him is the love you have for him and the relationship. And trust me I have not lived a “clean” life. And I have never been blameless and sheltered. So i personally know the love and forgiveness of Christ. And I know you want to too. And he loves you, and he wants to be with you, so i hope you know that. And he’s waiting for you, that’s the reason Jesus isn’t coming back yet is because he wants people all over to come to him. Because no matter what people say he DOES NOT want you to go to hell, again HE LOVES YOU sooo much. And I hope someday you know that in your heart, and i hope that maybe i’ll see you in heaven.
god loves you, and so do his people. Yes some christians are crazy, mean, and condemning, but I’m not. I believe in ” You don’t take a bath before you take a bath” You don’t have to come to him perfect and good but you just have to go he takes you as you are.
i hope you know the love of christ in your heart.
with much love nikkole
I agree, this toy is a little offensive, but not because of the whole religious thing. It’s because I don’t like the idea of little kids crucifying people as a game.
As far as Jesus loving us, it’s a nice idea, but it’s just a fairy tale. Belief in it is about as realistic as belief in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or Yahweh.
Karen, I think that this is a children’s toy for adults.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Adam and Eve messed up by eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge, THEN they knew good from evil. What sort of father would punish the kids before they knew the rules?
X used for Christ is very old.
Abbreviations used as Christian symbols have a long history in the church. The letters of the word “Christ” in Greek, the language in which the New Testament was written, or various titles for Jesus early became symbols of Christ and Christianity. For example, the first two letters of the word Christ (cristoV, or as it would be written in older manuscripts, CRISTOS) are the Greek letters chi (c or C) and rho (r or R). These letters were used in the early church to create the chi-rho monogram (see Christian Symbols: Christmas Ornaments), a symbol that by the fourth century became part of the official battle standard of the emperor Constantine.
Isn’t it funny that as soon as people see a crucifixion scene they automatically assume that it’s Jesus. I mean come on, the Romans crucified lots of people!
Every time I see a believer with a crucifix around their neck I just assume that Brian’s nailed to the cross.
It’s kind of strange that a roman torture instrument became a religious symbol.
I’m not well informed about ancient Christians, but I do imagine that the cross became the main symbol when the (Roman) Catholic Church was founded.
Please correct me, if I’m wrong.
I often wonder what would have happened if the manner of death had been different. Just for some quick examples:
Boiled to death in oil?
Use of an iron maiden?
Being pulled apart by horses?
Burned alive?
Gladiator combat?
Beheading?
What sort of symbols would they wear then? Would they revere fire? Would they be forbidden to use oil in cooking?
Hmm, the iron maiden could be easily made into a religous symbol. Perhaps it could be conflated in some perverse way to the Virgin Mary.
Harleigh Kyson Jr.
The Cross was actually rejected by several 3rd century church members due to its pagan origins, but after some centuries the church began using the Tau cross (looks like T) as the symbol of Christ. This is speculated to have been swiped from the Druids, who used the Tau cross to represent God. How like the church to steal pagan beliefs in order to conver the non-believers!! The first crucifixion scenes appeared in the 7th century, and by the time the split between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church happened, the Tau cross became the Roman Cross we see today.
Interestingly enough, descriptions of the crucifixion has Christ being hung from a stake, not a cross; this is possible, as the Romans crucified people on roman crosses, tau crosses, and stakes. The very earliest depictions of the crucifixion have Jesus hanging on a stake. Also, Acts 5:30 depicts the crucifixion as “hanging him on a tree,” and 1 Peter 2:24 states “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree.”
Funny, the most accurate symbol for Christians to wear would be a vertical line, not a Roman cross.
Eric states:
“see, i live my life, im happy. you live yours, doing what makes you happy. but at the end, if you’re right, we both die, we’ve had fun, good stuff. but if i’m right, i live for eternity with the God of the universe, and you loose massively. So why be so passionate about being atheist?”
What you do not understand, Eric, is that we are not really being passionate about being Atheist. Atheists discuss Atheism but we do not push it down people’s throats like Xtians who passionately try to convert every non-Xtian around. We do make fun of the beliefs of Xtians because they are illogical and irrational. They are based on faith which is a belief in something that cannot be proven. Atheists base their non-belief in that which can be proven not in the fact that the existence of God cannot be proven. That seems to be the most difficult thing for Xtians to understand although, to an Atheist, it is most logical and rational. Why would a person not put their belief in that which is proven than in that which is not proven?
With that in mind, Atheists, especially those who are pure Atheists, are very firm in their belief that God does not exist and to say that they will go to hell or suffer immensely for the sin of not believing is just ridiculous and shows your ignorance in regards to Atheism. I would suggest that you acquire several good books regarding what Atheism is all about and actually read them. I doubt that you will do so, though, since many religions have books about Atheism on the forbidden to read list.
You have to ask yourself why those books are on those lists. Is it because religion does not want you to think outside the box or learn something that may contradict their teachings?
In the end, your ‘threat’ that Atheists will suffer for their disbelief falls on deaf ears. In the end, Atheists are not throwing their money at preachers who don’t need that money. We don’t waste our time attending church and doing church activities. So, what we gain in time, we put into reading the truth whereas all Xtians are doing is being brainwashed by their religious leaders to believe in something that does not exist and to throw money into their preachers’ coffers. From my point of view, I gain and you lose.
Okay, now I am a profound atheist, but I am also a very open minded person. There is a difference between being proud of your atheism and completely shitting on some people for believing in something that you don’t and humiliating a person that most Christians hold in a special place in their hearts. This is a terrible product that just perpetuates more intolerance in the world. The people who came up with this should be fucking ashamed of themselves. People like you make atheists out to be insensitive fucks.
I have never heard an atheist describe themselves as “profound”.
Nor have I ever ran across an atheist that is rather protective of religious artifacts that are based on mythology and uses terms like, “…most Christians hold in a special place in their hearts”
Very unusual.
The Crucify Christ kit….
I didn’t create it, but I posted it.
BTW….I love your sensitive remarks.
Maybe you would prefer to criticize the sellers of “Baby Jesus Butt Plugs”?
http://www.divine-interventions.com/baby.php
I knew christians who are insensitive fucks, but also atheists who behaved like shit. On the contrary, you might find some nice people on both sides.