What Atheism Is…..and Is Not

2009 July 25

AtheistToast

Atheism is not a cause, ideology, religion or belief system, nor do atheists share the same world view. Is theism a religion? I think not! We are simply non-theistic humans, nothing more.

Atheism is for people that do not mind being responsible for their own actions and will not blame some evil, supernatural force for their errors, shortcomings and mishaps.

Atheism is not for people that cling to teachings supposedly inspired by mythological beings. Indoctrination and scare tactics in order to conform is the job for some of your religions, especially apparent in Christianity and Islam.

Atheism is for people of free thought. Even though most atheists may share the same ideas about deities, even more will disagree regarding political stances and partisanship. Our minds are not bogged down with or oppressed by religious rules, customs and mores.

Atheism is not a form of liberalism, nor are we all Democrats as many conservative Christians may imply. We are Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Green Party, Libertarians, Socialists and other partisan party affiliates.
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Atheism is not the reason why the World Trade Center fell on September 11. 2001.

Atheism is not a personal pacifier for the needy-minded. Atheism cannot comfort the afflicted, but it can lead one to rationalize and discover why they are afflicted. Only then, can one take corrective measures to prevent further suffering.

Atheism is commonly associated with evolution and “The Big Bang Theory”. Atheism is not a science, so therefore one cannot expect any randomly-picked atheist to sufficiently explain scientific theories or the origin of the universe. Should I refer you to a Jew for legal advice based on cultural stereotypes?

Atheism is simply nothing more than the absence of belief in gods. No faith or belief is required to be an atheist.
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  1. 2009 July 25
    the defiant skeptic permalink

    Thanks for posting this one, Mark. I had a similar post on my blog a while back, and it’s refreshing every time I see someone talking about the misconceptions surrounding atheism.

    At least one believer I’ve spoken to has admitted to not knowing much about atheism, so I guess it’s a start. Understanding is better than ignorance and fear.

    • 2009 July 25

      Some believers equate us to anarchists. Argh!!!!

      • 2009 July 26
        Nick permalink

        Be careful there. Anarchism isn’t a bad political philosophy, and shares some things with atheism. Simply put, to the best of my understanding, anarchism is a political system where no person is given, nor will all allow himself to be subject to, authority of or over another person.

        links in with your point “Atheism is for people that do not mind being responsible for their own actions and will not blame some evil, supernatural force for their errors, shortcomings and mishap.”

        • 2009 July 26
          the defiant skeptic permalink

          While that is a perfectly valid point, Mark’s complaint seems just as valid in that it suggests a persistent tendency by a lot of people to characterize atheism as an ideology and thus somehow view us as all anarchists or liberals or whatever—whether it’s true or not.

          Regardless of how political many of us are, or where we fall on the political spectrum, the blanket generalization bothers me (and I’m sure I’m not the only one).

        • 2009 July 27
          Adrien permalink

          I don’t think it is that strong a link. Nice try, though.

        • 2009 July 28
          Mike permalink

          Ah but Anarchy requires a perfect ecosystem devoid of assholes. Throw one asshole in an anarchy and you have yourself a warlord and the beginnings of a dictatorship.

          Atheism is simpler. You do your own thing and it doesn’t require the assholes to play along.

      • 2009 July 27
        infantile permalink

        well dude i think you want to say antichrists :)

  2. 2009 July 25

    “Atheism is for people that do not mind being responsible for their own actions and will not blame some evil, supernatural force for their errors, shortcomings and mishaps”

    I particularly loved this point. It seems to me that whenever a religious person makes a mistake, they can blame it upon some devil or demon that wishes them ill, instead of self-awareness and accountability.

    • 2009 July 25
      Eric permalink

      See, i wouldn’t do that. Just be careful generalising about ‘religious people’ in the same way that atheists do not like being generalised, as this post is saying =)

      • 2009 July 26
        zunedita373 permalink

        I just realized something. Heaven may not exist, but Hell does… and you spend an eternity there debating people who don’t believe in evolution or equal rights for women. And the harder you debate, the more they dig their heels in, because that’s how these people seem to be wired. It’s cute at first…

      • 2009 July 26
        Phil permalink

        Please note, he said “can” not do. Don’t be so oversensitive. Considering the words and manner so many religions are presented the atheism case is here being presented with kid gloves. I for one consider any theist to ipso facto deranged.

        • 2009 July 26
          Eric permalink

          yea i know, i wasn’t trying to be oversensitive. It was just the way he said ‘whenever…’, but that’s fine. It’s not that bigger deal, i just don’t like that feeling of being generalised =P
          And technically speaking, Christianity isn’t a religion… but let’s not get picky, i know what’s meant =P

          • 2009 July 27
            MistaRIPsa210 permalink

            Technically christianity is a religion.No matter how you try to butter it up

            re⋅li⋅gion
              /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
            Use religion in a Sentence
            –noun
            1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
            2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
            3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

            • 2009 July 27
              Eric permalink

              i guess definitions vary. like, some people would say a religion is a set of beliefs to live by, in order to be right with a god or to get to heaven. Christianity, from that perspective, wouldn’t be a religion but a faith. Anyway, i’m not trying to ‘butter it up’ – what difference does it make?! I know that when this post says religion, it means anything involving a god figure, i get it. and that’s what your definition says.

      • 2009 July 28
        Adrien permalink

        That’s pretty lame, Eric. Sorry if you can’t ‘generalize’ your way past this possibility.

        • 2009 July 28
          Eric permalink

          i was just saying i wouldn’t do what this post says…
          i take it you don’t either. does that make you lame?

      • 2009 September 1
        Sez Me! permalink

        Eric,
        When nearly all religious people of each religion or faith ’speak in one voice’ to we atheists, about religion, they have created the generalization. Can we be faulted for using it too?

        I’d entertain the thought that y’all might have something to say if even one of you ever said anything we’ve not heard a zillion times in one form or another. We’ve heard what y’all have to say….. and it sucks.

        • 2009 September 2
          Eric permalink

          See, i live in Australia. We don’t really have many public atheists, nor do we have extremist christians, or people of any belief for that matter, who make bold statements, claims, and generalisations. So here, speaking in one voice against atheism doesn’t really happen… Our culture is more full of nominal ‘i was baptised’ christians/catholics, or just people who don’t really care either way. It’s a bit of a ‘yea, im a good person, God’ll like that’ sorta culture…

  3. 2009 July 25
    Elise permalink

    Nicely Said my friend!

    • 2009 July 25

      Thank you very much! ;)

      But I’m sure someone will come along and attempt to deconstruct it.

  4. 2009 July 25
    anti_supernaturalist permalink

    Natura naturans: atheists restore to nature its “innocence”

    The de-deification of western culture (including the sciences) is our task for the next 100 years.

    • we free culture from the dead hand of near eastern mythological speculation

    A mishmash of near eastern magical texts makes spurious claims of being god-given. Their nihilistic dualism and androcentric understanding of the universe and of human nature are too damaging to contribute to a humane planet-wide ethos.

    * we free culture from the death impulse characterized by “sin” and “guilt”

    The universe evinces neither affect, nor morality, nor intellect. Neither physical nature nor human nature say anything about a superordinate, supernatural realm populated by creators or law givers.

    Nature is silent. There is no concept of truth in nature. Indeed, there are no concepts whatsoever in nature. Nature knowsnothing. Natura naturans. That is, nature acts.

    Nature is neither meaningful nor meaningless. Neither a source of comfort (natural theology) nor a source of despair (existentialism). Both are rooted in the same mistaken presupposition that supernatural meaning can be found by searching “the starry heavens” for gods or by quarrying human inwardness for moral laws.

    • we demonstrate that religion is a needless cultural artifact

    Instead, religions belong to cultures embedded in nature. And cultures/i> are our distinctive human-all-too-human handiwork. Religions are obsolete, replaceable cultural artifacts.

    Any specific religion reenacts and institutionalizes cultic myth. It gets spread through recruitment and custom, financially supported by mores and law, and enforced by intimidation and violence.

    Xian mythology, like related big-4 monotheisms zoroastrianism, post-exilic judaism, and islam, posits a moralized universal order which never existed. No more can be found in “the starry heavens” than the ancestors put into it. (Theology is fifth-rate fan fiction.)

    • we demonstrate that god-given morality is (rooted in) imperial propaganda

    Some of that pseudo-meaning derives ultimately from Sargon I’s (2334-2279 BCE) imperial propaganda when the very first violent yoking together of disparate Sumerian city-state cultures occurred in what is now Iraq.

    Sargon I appears on a low relief sculpture as a god receiving a legal and moral code directly from a greater god enthroned above him. A myth of divine origin of royalty and morality turns out to be ancient political spin. (Still works today, doesn’t it?)

    * we present a “way” superior to the world hating monster-theisms

    Adjust your understanding, adjust your expectations, and you will have a right relationship with the only total reality there is, natura naturans. Nature naturing — without any gods’ assistance.

    anti-supernaturalist

    • 2009 July 26

      This is one towering pile of indoctrination you’ve left here.

    • 2009 July 31
      Sez Me! permalink

      May I strip this down to its essentials? If I’ve understood it properly, what this all means is: “What is, is; the rest is bullshit”.

      Did I get it?

  5. 2009 July 25
    anti_supernaturalist permalink

    sorry about all the italics (forgot to close )

    anti_supernaturalist

  6. 2009 July 25
    steve permalink

    Atheism is a Belief. Which makes it a religion, if you believe this came from chaos and believe there is no god.

    That makes it your religion.

    • 2009 July 25

      Yeah right! I’m glad to have someone like you to redefine and re-categorize it.

      The world has been holding its breathe for your wisdom.

      Who said “this was from chaos”??

      • 2009 July 25
        michael permalink

        epic comeback my friend.

        imo, these points come off as a little snooty
        (i am an atheist too, though)

        • 2009 July 25

          “I’ll take Snooty” for $500, Alex!” ;)

          • 2009 July 26
            Eric permalink

            how good is that scene in Ferris Bueller?!
            Snooty? Snotty? Snooty?
            ahhhh, completely unrelated. My bad =P

    • 2009 July 25

      Go back to Fundyland and take your other username with you.

    • 2009 July 26
      zunedita373 permalink

      “That makes it your religion” – So what. Okay, let me guess……

      … you’re a Jesus freak? And as we all know, only Jesus came from chaos.

      Oh, I got more. But why waste it; this “steve” is another hit and run job.

    • 2009 July 26
      Phil permalink

      So all beliefs are religions? I believe it’s four o’clock – so that’s a timely religion? Get a grip. If that’s the best you can do I suggest you pray for a better argument.

      • 2009 July 26
        the defiant skeptic permalink

        I believe it’s almost 4:20. ;)

        • 2009 July 28
          lovely athiest permalink

          lol
          its always 420 on my watch ;D

      • 2009 July 31
        Sez Me! permalink

        I’m not sure this fits in here but it occurred to me that I had to go through this idiotic “atheism is s ‘belief’” thing a while back. I ended up declaring that I had NO beliefs. Period. So then I had to get around the semantic difficulty of common phrases, “I believe I’ll have another cup of coffee”, and such like.

        I ended up using two words, each appropriate to its setting. One is “think”, as in “I think I’ll have another…….”

        The other is “accept”. I use accept when saying something like “I accept that the next breath I take won’t kill me”. I would formerly just casually said “I believe that ……….etc” but some folks have jumped all over me for being “a believer” whenever I use the word ‘believe’ in that context.

        For those who have said that I mean the same thing when I use accept, I point out that “believe” does not require any reason to believe whereas ‘accept’ can always answer “why do you accept?” (In this example: because I have taken thousands of breaths and they’ve not killed me & others around me are breathing and are apparently unharmed)

        I don’t know if this simplifies anything. It seems a lot more simple and clear when I don’t try to explain it! LOL };-)

    • 2009 July 26
      Mark permalink

      Steve, you mistake atheism for a “belief”. This appears to be what the religious do in order to “tar and feather” atheists with the same dogma they share. It is a feeble attempt to say “you’re no better or different than we are”. The problem comes with the words we use to describe things that have subjective definitions. I have a strong hunch that there is no “Easter Bunny” or “Tooth Fairy”, simply put I don’t believe in them, nor to I believe they exist. In essence my belief is that they don’t exist. Surely this does not constitute a religion or a belief in the sense that religions believe in a deity. The atheists I encounter have no belief in the supernatural but that is no different than having no belief in childhood fantasies. Take belief out of the mix and you have “we don’t think there is a god”.

      In addition, I think the definitions for atheism and agnosticism are messed up but I’ll save that for another time. Bottom line there is “we don’t worship gods”.

      • 2009 July 26
        anon permalink

        A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, that give meaning to the practitioner’s experiences of life through reference to a higher power, God or gods, or ultimate truth.[1] It may be expressed through prayer, ritual, meditation, music and art, among other things. It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws, ethics, and a particular lifestyle. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience.

        The term “religion” refers to both the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction. “Religion” is sometimes used interchangeably with “faith” or “belief system,”[2] but it is more socially defined than personal convictions, and it entails specific behaviors, respectively.

        Atheism can be either the rejection of theism,[1] or the position that deities do not exist.[2] In the broadest sense, it is the absence of belief in the existence of deities.[3]

        The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), which was derogatively applied to anyone thought to believe in false gods, no gods, or doctrines that stood in conflict with established religions. With the spread of freethought, skeptical inquiry, and subsequent increase in criticism of religion, application of the term narrowed in scope. The first individuals to self-identify as “atheist” appeared in the 18th century. Today, about 2.3% of the world’s population describes itself as atheist, while a further 11.9% is described as nontheist.[4] Between 64% and 65% of Japanese describe themselves as atheists, agnostics, or non-believers,[5][6] and up to 48% in Russia.[5] The percentage of such persons in European Union member states ranges between 6% (Italy) and 85% (Sweden).[5]

        Atheism tends towards skepticism regarding supernatural claims, citing a lack of empirical evidence. Common rationales include the problem of evil, the argument from inconsistent revelations, and the argument from nonbelief. Other arguments for atheism range from the philosophical to the social to the historical.

        In Western culture, atheists are frequently assumed to be irreligious or unspiritual.[7] However, religious and spiritual belief systems such as forms of Buddhism that do not advocate belief in gods, have been described as atheistic.[8] Although some atheists tend toward secular philosophies such as humanism,[9] rationalism, and naturalism,[10] there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere.[1

        • 2009 July 27
          Phil permalink

          Hmm, superficially buddhism (in its various forms) does seem to side step the atheist firing line but in so much as it claims a mystical human spirit which is somehow assessed by someone or something as to its reincarnation value seems to me to put it squarely in the religious camp, cos it certainly isn’t scientific. Nor am I keen on its indifference to pain and suffering as something simply to master and ignore.

    • 2009 July 26
      Gabe permalink

      If atheism is a religion then we are the only one out there who adhere to only one religion.

      Let’s say you are a Christian (an assumption I may be wrong about). In that case you’re religion would be Christianity right? But since you said that NOT believing in a god is a religion as well we can’t pin down your religion. You beileve that Buddah isn’t real, so your religion must be antibuddism. And you don’t believe in the viking god Thor, so you must be antithorianism! You don’t believe in Allah either, so maybe your religion is nonmuslimism, but we can’t nail that down either because we have to deal with the religion that deals with your lack of belief in the sun god Rah and should pin you down as a member of the church of notrahianism. So really what is your religion. It could even be gravitaionalism, since I hope you still believe in gravity, or would that be a sin because that believe would make you a member of another religion?

      You better figure it out and get it right man, you don’t want to burn in hell.

    • 2009 September 1
      Sez Me! permalink

      steve,
      If having no belief is the same as having a belief that would mean that having no food to eat is the same as having food. The hungry of the world has long awaited this news, I’m sure!

  7. 2009 July 25
    Zig permalink

    I think you’ve made an error in your classification. Atheism is the positive belief that there is no god, and is therefore a belief system. You seem to be trying to explain agnosticism.

    • 2009 July 25

      No, what you’re describing is “strong atheism”, for which I am.

      • 2009 July 25
        Jen permalink

        Right!
        Even so, you (Zig & Steve) cannot equate “belief system” with “religion”, at least not necessarily. There are many types of belief systems, and religious ones are just one type. Science involves belief systems based on empirical evidence, reason, etc. and religions involve belief systems based on dogma, faith, etc. For those of you who like to say atheism is a religion, I’d like to refer you to the definition of the word “religion”: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; an institution to express belief in a divine power (source: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=religion). Atheism involves no such beliefs.

        • 2009 July 28
          Hank permalink

          that is a different definition from the one above from ol’ webster.

    • 2009 July 26
      Phil permalink

      This is such a tired old argument. Eveyone knows you cannot prove a negative – just think about it. You’re just playing with words for the sake of it because you can present a half decent case. No one can prove there are no elves at the bottom of the garden but we all (?) happily accept there are not any.

      • 2009 July 26
        Phil permalink

        Should have said cannot!

      • 2009 July 31
        Sez Me! permalink

        We can see how much better the word “accept” works than “belief” in this case?!

  8. 2009 July 26
    Adam permalink

    People still think that having a lack of faith and belief in something equates to having a religion? That’s confusing.

    • 2009 July 26

      Somebody in the atheist section of Reddit even called atheism a religion.

      • 2009 July 28
        Hank permalink

        it is a religion.

        • 2009 July 28
          mzg0001 permalink

          Nope, just a lack of theistic belief. Religion requires structure.

        • 2009 July 28

          Just because you and other theists say so?

          Don’t drag me down with the mental, please.

          Just because you fell for it don’t take everyone down with you.

  9. 2009 July 26
    anti_supernaturalist permalink

    Theism is not a religion: Atheism is not a religion for the same reason

    ‘Theism’ is an abstract noun which refers collectively to each organized religion which espouses the existence of at least one god, and unlike Deism one having a personality who interacts meaningfully with human beings. ‘Theism’ is a label. It itself is not the name of any religion.

    The group of theistic religions would include: Xianity, Judaism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, ancient Greco-Roman polytheisms. It would not include: Theravada Buddhism or Chinese ancestor worship or Jainism. These are non-theistic religions.

    Theist and atheist alike can agree about which institutional religions are theistic. Institutional religions are reasonably well-defined “objects” (groups, associations) which can be discriminated and counted. Such agreements, shared by supposedly antithetical camps, are for me “the salt which never loses its savour.”

    Atheism is essentially a viewpoint which denies that any god whatsoever exists. For the Big-4 Near Eastern monotheisms, the atheist claims that of God and Yaweh, Ahura Mazda and Allah, not one of them exists. These fictional characters have the ontological status of non-entities such as Gilgamesh and Zeus, Sherlock Holmes and Batman.

    • Institutional religion is a praxis. Atheism is obviously not an institution of any kind.

    Let’s be clear. ‘Theism’ is not the name of any religion. ‘Atheism’ quite obviously names no religion.

    Moreover, in the relevant political sense, a religion is a recognizable social unit sharing common cultic practices, mythological (so-called supernatural) commitments, as well as secular ideological claims to power, corporate action.

    Atheism embodies no common praxis — it has no body of believers, no rituals, it has no common symbols, no unitary political ideology. Atheism is obviously not even a voluntary association. Atheism is not a religion in any sense.

    Despite its theistic stance, the Boy Scouts of America is not a religion. It is however a voluntary association. Of course there are voluntary associations like the Freedom from Religion Foundation which espouse at a minimum “freedom of conscience” as embodied in the 1st Amendment.

    Freedom of conscience demands openness to atheism, agnosticism, indifference to religion — it proclaims an inherent right of persons to dismiss any alleged claim of supernatural beings or powers over their lives. It is a radical freedom — without which the other 1st amendment rights would be irrationally truncated.

    anti_supernatauralist

    • 2009 July 26

      Very good and logical points!!!

      • 2009 July 28
        Hank permalink

        theism is a religion also. just a very broadly defined one.

        • 2009 July 28
          mzg0001 permalink

          Theism is simply a word for the belief in at least one deity.

        • 2009 July 28

          Just another “thrown out there” reply.

          Just because you may believe in God doesn’t mean you have the authority to alter definitions.

    • 2009 July 26
      Nick permalink

      Also worth noting: Buddhism and other faiths which do not subscribe to the idea of a “Higher being” are Atheist Religions. Thus, the two are not opposed, and for that reason are not mutually exclusive.

      trying to be a Nonreligious Theist might prove tricky, however.

  10. 2009 July 26
    bryce permalink

    SRY I STUMBLED UPON THIS

  11. 2009 July 26
    Some random guy permalink

    What is Atheist? It is just simply a person.

    What is Christian? It’s a person who believes in the Christian God.

    To put this on a simpler level. Lets change the subject to a more simple example. SPORT!

    (*everyone groans for fear of the coming baseball analogy*)

    Lets say Christianity is Baseball (*yup, there is it..*). And Islam is Basketball. And so on for all the other religions. In this case, an Atheist is just someone who doesn’t play a sport! Just that simple. It’s not that they play the “sport” of “non-playing sport”. Just that they don’t play any sport at all.

    Now back to religion, and no more sporting analogies. (*everyone cheers!*)

    Atheism is just the term given to someone who has no interest in, or association with a religion. It’s not a religion, it’s not a supernatural belief system, it’s just a lack of both.

    So please, everyone stop saying that Atheism is a belief system or a religion. It’s not, it never was. It’s a person who has NO religion. To suggest that Atheism is a religion somehow suggests that everyone *must* have a religion, this is not the case. There is many people who just simply don’t have a religion. They have no belief in Gods, or any other such supernatural things. And don’t want to have a belief in such things either. Or even need that belief.

    In the same way, it’s like saying a person plays sport who doesn’t play any sport, and plays the sport of ‘not having a sport’. Just because you assume that everyone *must* play some form of sport.

    • 2009 July 26
      mzg0001 permalink

      Does that make Buddhism like running track?

      I wouldn’t say Atheism is necessarily a lack of supernatural belief (though the two have a positive correlation.) As pointed out above Buddhism is an atheist religion.

    • 2009 July 28
      Hank permalink

      what is an atheist? simply a person who has CHOSEN not to BELIEVE in a god.

      • 2009 July 28
        mzg0001 permalink

        Generally not chosen. It is extremely difficult to believe in an illogical sky-pixie.

  12. 2009 July 26
    Nick Knight permalink

    I am sick of sites like this. Atheist firmly believe there is no God. To many people confuse Atheism with being Augnostic. I do not know I am there for Augnostic, which is where the term comes from “not knowing”. The statement that “there is no God”, is to me a form of faith, since you can not know. To me the only truth is there is not a way to know, we might not even know the question. Radical “Strong”Atheist have much more in common with the main line followers including the Christians, then they do with Augnostics.

    • 2009 July 26
      Phil permalink

      No they bloody well are not, they are in line with science: evidence, empirism and rationalism.
      Scientists do not wander around saying “well I do not know, maybe yes, maybe no, who really knows…”
      They look for evidence, they evaluate it, propose hypothesises, theories then put these to repeated tests always searching for weaknesses and faults and ensure the results can be replicated by others.
      Sounds just like a religion – I do not think!
      (PS. The word is agnostic)

    • 2009 July 26
      mattincinci permalink

      whats an augnostic? someone who cannot spell the word agnostic lol

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic

    • 2009 July 26
      Mark permalink

      How about this then: “There is no Easter Bunny” or “There is no Tooth Fairy”. Yes it is a fallacy to say so but there is a very high probability that it is correct.

      • 2009 July 26

        Maybe THAT should be a religion.

        “Church of the Latter Day Bunnies”

        • 2009 July 31
          Sez Me! permalink

          “Oh good grief”!!
          The only TRUE church is “The Church of The Great PUMPKIN”…… ask Charlie Brown if you don’t believe me………

  13. 2009 July 26

    I am sick of sites like this.

    But you were forced to reply?
    And you think I’m going to close it at your request?

    What is an Augnostic?

  14. 2009 July 26
    Richard N permalink

    Why do I keep running across this battlefield of semantics on virtually every atheism website? I had no idea that “labels” are so incredibly important to people. While I subscribe to the concepts of atheism, I don’t call myself an atheist. (Mark- your ‘what it is not..’ list is just perfect !)
    The reason I don’t call myself an atheist is in an attempt to avoid being improperly “cast in stone” by someone who hasn’t a clue… (and some that do) – and can’t seem to get used to the idea that I may be an individual with ideas outside of what they think an atheist must/should be.
    It’s pretty strange that if I tell someone that I don’t believe in the existence of god that they automatically think I’m a liberal, an elitist, a socialist, and sometimes a devil worshiper.
    So, when I am labeled by the listener as an atheist, I just say… “no, I’m not an atheist because I don’t believe in the easter bunny, either”. That remark always gets some strange looks…LOL
    I think my point is that I resent being called an atheist by someone who can’t define it and will share that with them… heatedly

    • 2009 July 26

      Labels are important in a religiously oppressive society. It makes it easier to point out the bad guys. (I’m taking a swipe at the US)

    • 2009 July 26

      This comment was good for me to read. I don’t believe in religion and my research tells my rational mind that JC was completely made up from other myths floating around in ancient times. But I don’t want to wear a label. I tried Deism for a while, Agnostic for a time too. But I believe in rational science, including quantum physics, and if they prove some sort of energy that one can logically call the ‘god factor’, I’m open to it. I don’t think when Einstein said he was attempting to “read the mind of god” when developing his Theory of Relativity, that he was referring to a religious god. Be it a pocket of consciousness, energy, first cause, whatever – I think there’s more to life than anyone can know, and though I don’t lose sleep over it, I don’t want to wear the Atheist label. I respect Atheism more than religion, but can’t seem to push myself into that category.

      • 2009 July 30
        MaryLynne permalink

        I’m also very interested in physics and quantum mechanics. Quantum theory says that we really are connected. On my steps through faith of trying to find something I could live with and still hang on to something, I was there for a while – God is the energy that connects us all. The final bubble popped when I thought, “So why does it follow that this energy field has a personality or opinions or sentience or cares at all what I believe?” Pop! I could let it go. If there is energy or particles connecting everything, it is because there is energy or particles connecting everything, not for any other reason.

        (PS – I know I kind of butchered the physics – that’s not quite what it says, but it’s too much work right now to state it more precisely.)

    • 2009 July 30
      MaryLynne permalink

      For the rare times it comes up in real life, I describe myself as “not a person of faith.” That always serves the immediate purpose – gives a shortcut answer to why I won’t be at church tomorrow or why I won’t volunteer at Summer Bible School – but doesn’t have people get their hackles up and try to convert me like “I’m an atheist” or “I don’t believe it god” does. I’m just no longer interested in those conversations. If someone is questioning or curious they might ask what I mean and I’ve had some nice conversations, but mostly we just move on.

      I certainly am an atheist by any definition and I’m not ashamed of it at all, but I feel I’m being honest about myself and taking away someone else’s opportunity to make judgements about me based on something they don’t understand.

    • 2009 August 3

      Richard N. I don’t take drugs. I know that in this bacterial planet created by the gods, the bloodless and heartless alien species, of the 12 tribes that kidnapped every single hot blooded being on this planet, many people do drugs for different reasons, but the common denominator is: PAIN. But I don’t do drug. People are afraid to see the obvious because they won’t know what to do. Our rulers are not people. Internally the are bloodless and heatless insects, since their gods are insects.

      Nevertheless, something happens that makes me see Earth as what is is, a cul-de-sac with plenty of re-runs. We are kidnapped by the bugs of the earth, the non-blooded species that bought the 13 tribes. Flies, that we call parasites, are the rulers of this planet. As viruses, they live in us. As maggots, they devour our flesh. As flies they rule all hot-blooded species.

      Messengers of the flies are the gnats and all blood-sucking insects. Without them you don’t have dreams. The message is not for you though. The messages given in dream are for the viruses that live in you, put there by the flies and other insects.

      Are you viral? Yes. We are always asking for aliens to come to earth. But they have been living with us and as arrogant species, we ignore them, while they, the insects, took advantage of our ignorance. And it is not us that asked for aliens to come to earth, it is the viruses that live in us that are demanding for other aliens like them to come.

      How do our bodies decay so fast? First we are infected by bacteria and viruses by playing on the floor, bathing in the rivers and in the sea, eating our food that fell on the floor, eating with dirty hands, biting our nails, and the best way we become infected is by the wind. When we are eating, watch flies approaching and very fast lay eggs on the food and leave. Then we become a boarding house or a nanny for their offsprings. Since all worms live in bacteria, so they make us eat yogurt and other decaying food like mushroom that their offsprings need to survive. So the viruses living in us cause our body to decay. They don’t want to spend eternity in us. They want to learn every facet of our body and acquire our genes and then mimic us for the rest of their lives. So when the time comes, they kill the host with diseases, and eat the decayed body and live in their world under the host’s identity. So, every single street with the name of that host belongs to the human flies.

      They become the judges,the punishers, and the rulers of our species
      When you dreams of people in your dreams, you are seeing the viruses practicing at being “human.’

      All bloodless animals use the wind as their vehicles, like we use public transportations. We are impregnated by eggs of all insects mostly during summer. And the biting of the insects is not that they want to drink your blood. The insects bite you to put intruction in your body for the newborn that all hot blooded species have been impregnated with. The viral infection in the lions make them fight each other for females, while there are plenty of females for eah lions. The insects dispersed all hot blooded species, make them war against each other, eat each other in order to keep hot-blooded species from overpassing them. And in the end, they feat on us.

      While the insects die, they live in the generations that they leave in every hot-blooded species. These killers put in us learne to mimic our behavior. We become the nursery for these nasty critters. The eggs, as viruses, to survive multiply in our system. They are nourished by us, learn from the environment they live in like when we acquire a new house. They mature but stay viruses like-form until we die and they encase themselves like the butterflies do into a protective skin until they mature. While they are in that skin, they feed of the dead “house” that they have during the lifetime of the host and then they change into whatever insects that put them there in the first place. In the emperors that they hosted, they arrogantly used their mouths to tell us where they come from. The viruses can talk by using our organs.

      Notice that these viruses live in our body under 98.7 degree temperature all the time. They learn to live in hot places. The types of insects that deceive us all of our lifetime and that hastens our death so they can leave the body take the identity of the hosts. That is why when you go to a medium, the person can see the dead. The person is not seeing the dead. The medium is seeing the insects that the maggots of the dead have become and that stole the identity of its victims.

      Remember all these maggots are like one person. They each mimic a particular cell in the body of that person. So when they surface, all these single miming cells are like one. They hold one amount of memory. They are not that person that die, but they are a mimicry of that person. Then they can deceived the family of that person into loving them and let them live. That is why the insects, which we, our species, are supposed to annihilate to clean the planet ended up instead slaves of the insects and working for them and their babies.

      Know that all the gods that our species are worshiping are viral insects.
      For example, the Americans worship the eagles. Can eagles be worshiped. They are not smarter than us. They have smaller brain that cannot hold the amount of information we can hold. But the eagles have parasitic flies that came out of people that live on them. The flies mimic the airplanes and make the eagles their airplanes. Because the eagles are hot blooded like us, they are infected as well and controlled by the poison injected in them by insects.

      The Apes that eat trees are supposed to annihilate the trees that they eat and the insects that live on them. That is why they exist on the planet. But the flies send ticks on them to torment them and infected their blood. The poison injected by the ticks caused the Apes to live a short life. As well the ticks distract the apes from doing their jobs. So the apes spend time grooming themselves to get rid of the ticks instead of doing its job: Destroying insects. A well, the viral people kill, eat, and sell the apes. Notice that the viruses use our parents to name us after the worms of each religious realms. Your name is Richard. That makes you a pod for the Christian virus. It is not your name. It is the virus’name so it can recognize which tribe it belongs to.

      The gods are worms and nothing else. They infect our species, the hot-blooded ones. Since they are alien viruses from space that invade this planet, they are killing us every day. We are living with our enemies. Since they put hosts inside us, which I can tell you the priests of the earth who contracted with them for wealth and power know about, the offsprings of those bloodless and heartless insects and worms of both sea and land know that they will always rule us.

      The octopuses mimic them by laying millions of eggs and then give its life to the fish knowing that millions of its offsprings will carry the torch. All the bloodless animals lays millions of eggs. But our species, the hot-blooded animals, can only give birth up to six animals at once, the dogs and the pigs. But the viral rulers of the earth kill them to keep them from over populating. Why? These animals are doing what they suppose to do: Annilhilate the bloodless that infested the earth.

      Sadly, hot blooded animals are pods for the insects’s babies, including us. The flies not only live with us, but they impregnate us with their offsprings, which live in us as viruses and later metamorphose into their respective parents. The butterflies do the same, mimicking the worms, by creating its own coffins or pods, since they cannot approach us enough to lay eggs in us. TRhese maggots are not only one species of alien insects, The are all types of insects whose parents want them to be educated as Humans so the can rule the planet. There, Richard, you are just a nanny of the nastiest of the alien insects on earth. Next time you dream of a person, or you make love to a person in dream, you are seing a peep show of the viruses inside you. The government knows every single thing that I am telling you because the government is made of the thirteen tribe that accept the deal to call the insects their gods.

      They know that their gods, the maggots, eat only hot blooded animals, and they relish our species. That is why they prepare the dead for the worms, their gods to eat. The governents of the earth seems to be made of people, but inside they are as heartless and as bloodless as their gods. Their hearts is made of rocks and their blood of ink that finish the pctures of the dead rulers on the banknotes made out of trees.

      As I said this group of insects, which we call viruses, that live in us are a different breed that call themselves “human.” They mimic us to the point that they seem smart. They even die to go to heaven. They make a heaven for themselves in the clouds and there they drive the clouds to make rain, they make tornadoes, and they make twisters and hurricanes. They make wind as well. That is why the air that we breathe is full of bacteria. When they join together at the appropriate time, they can create cataclismic wind and create disasters.

      We are jailed, hounded, killed, and enslaved by the bloodless animals that use our mouths to worship the worms on the eagles and other birds, such as pigeons, which our species call “holy spirit.” The worms are afraid of birds that eat them, So they made a pact to rule together. But the birds have been had because the insects poisoned them and controlled them like puppets. We are giant worms, but the bloodless, which are not worms, but mimicry of worms rule us.

      The virus will not let you understand. And you are too scared to leave your confortable place to venture into the world of the unknow. It is scary, but it is real. Watch the game shows like Deal or no Deal and Who Wants to be a Millionaire and see how virus buy bodies for the next generation. If people were giving away money, there wouldn’t be any more poverty in the world, since the trees are there and the machines that make the money are there. Why would they give away money that they sold their souls and their children’ souls for to strangers?

  15. 2009 July 26
    Richard N permalink

    Oh, those “sports” analogies are good…. can I borrow that ?

  16. 2009 July 26
    Charlotte permalink

    Mark, I totally agree with what you’re saying here – and all the people saying that Atheism is a form of religion; HOW is it a religion? Fail to see that one actually but there you go, maybe I’m just not smart enough to see how a non-theist is part of a religion. Who knows.
    Being brought up in 2 convent schools I was indoctrinated from a very early age with Catholic teachings. I despised it because we were told believing in Catholicism is the way we had to live our lives. So Mark, I think that was a brilliant article. Thankyou :)

    • 2009 July 26

      And thank you, Charlotte. :)

      If atheism is a religion, then so is theism.

      Nor is atheism a proper noun and does not require capitalization.

    • 2009 July 26

      Here’s a pie graph of the major religions of the world. Notice that “atheism” is listed with “non-religious”.

    • 2009 August 3

      Do the atheists do certain rituals when they gather together? Are they dictators? Are they intolerant of other people’s opinion? Are they eating hot-blooded animal species? That is why people tell them that they are religious. It is in the food. Animals are killed on this planet only for sacrifice and all people who eat these animals are part of the religions of the people who killed them. That is why all priests accuse everyone of sinning. The food you eat according to them makes you a sinner.

      I know that the Atheist people are trying to be different. But the nasty rulers of the earth made it so that even though people don’t want to be part of it, they are forced without their knowledge to be.
      It is a huge net, a huge trap made by those who rule the planet. Eating meat is a sacrificial privilege and the viruses put meat even in medicine. While certain people think that they are vegeterian, if they have headaches and they take tylenol, guess what? They are eating meat because almost all medicines are made with some types of meat organs.

      We are not free. All hot-blooded species are enslaved by the bloodless and the heartless of both land and sea.

      When you leave the comfortable zone, every virus is ready to call you crazy because they don’t want to be discovered. They are supposed to be living in our body incognito until the time that they eat our carcasses. The viruses like to eat meat and particularly their hosts. So, because we are viral, we don’t know who we are. The viruses in us block that knowledge. They are farming us. Now they feel comfortable enough to let people know who they are because the insects that live in human body feel that they have acquired enough knowledge from us to get rid of all of us. They have the clones that will not complain or attempt to annihilate them from time to time.

      When people freeze bodies of the dead, the virus lay dormant. When people are in coma in hospital, the viruses are not dead. When they multiply enough they take over the body of the person and you have something called “miracle”. As you see, the name of Ra, the worm, is in miracle, praising it for letting the viruses in that person live for another period of time. When they say that “God calls you.” It means, the gods of the viruses in you call then to service, which means to eat the body and get out.

      Your job and the job of all blooded species is to annihilate the bloodless species: roaches, centipedes, bees, gnats, ticks, worms, millipedes, fish, and all species without heart and blood. They cannot feel. That is why a viral king can kill his wives and sons. It is not the person that does so, it is the monster inside the person, the viruses that the insects, which are flying viruses and bacteria, put in the person.

      A mother that sells her children for money is infected by virus. The virus is not there to take care of your kids and cannot love either. That is what make them dangerous. They live in you all their lives and they eat your flesh in the end. They don’t recognize you as one of them and neither as people. They are incapable of love. That is why no matter how many sacrifices offered to the gods, they eat the people any way. The only way these gods protect their people is by giving them money and allow us to use our intelligence to seek for cure, which they never let us complete. The cures are always incurable. Not because there is no cure, but the viruses will not let you be healed otherwise how are they going to eat you?

      That is why the government let your entity exist. You are not a real threat.

  17. 2009 July 26
    Charlotte permalink

    Thanks for correcting me (that wasn’t sarcastic although it seems it!) I guess I am pretty new to atheism – even though I have never believed in gods or organised religion, I have never really thought about atheism properly till a few months ago. By this, I mean, I never believed in any religion, but I have only just started to think about WHY I don’t believe in it. I’m finding it really interesting actually, been on many religion forums to try and find out why people believe what they believe. I’m genuinely curious because I just cannot grasp the concept people believe in things because they are told they have to. I’d much rather believe in facts rather than heresay.

    • 2009 July 26

      I was supporting you.:)
      By the way….
      Being religious is based on hearsay, not facts.

  18. 2009 July 26
    mzg0001 permalink

    After reading all the talk about atheism not being a religion, I would like to point you to a clip from the show “Metalocalypse.” In the episode, the band tries to find religion and wind up going to “the church of the atheists.”

    You can find it on Adultswim.com

    • 2009 July 26
      mzg0001 permalink

      It shows how ridiculous it is to call atheism a religion. Just thought I’d clarify because my wording makes it sound otherwise.

  19. 2009 July 26

    Super, excellent post!

  20. 2009 July 26

    Do you know what I don’t understand? Religions, most of them anyway, have a habit of demanding that they be given the freedom to speak their minds. They think nothing of coming to your home, knocking on your door, and trying to save your soul. Yet, I’ve met many of them who think that any person who tries to state their atheism should be silenced.

    I should note that I’m not an atheist, nor am I an “augnostic,” whatever that is…

    I do have a set of spiritual beliefs, though they aren’t anything like mainstream Jedo-Christian beliefs. Whatever. I’m just tired of the way that religious people (translates to “fundamental Christians”), seem to think it’s fine for them to try to force their belief systems down the throats of everyone around them.

    Excellent post – keep up the fight!

    • 2009 July 26

      Oops – that should read “Judeo-Christian.” I hate typos!

      • 2009 July 26

        I think it’s important to point out that there’s no such thing as “Judeo-Christian” anything. It’s a tagline used by Christians who want to show token support for Judaism. The Jewish and Christian ideas about God, sin, repentance, and the afterlife are vastly difference. Maybe they share some core values, but Judeo-Christian is a terribly inaccurate word.

        • 2009 July 26

          You are CORRECT!

          I hate the term also. They share the same god, but that’s about it.

          If Christians were more like their Jewish counterparts, I wouldn’t be griping about their hypocrisies so much.

          I despise mainstream American Christianity and any sect of Islam. I can tolerate Judaism because they don’t aggressively convert or invade other countries…and they don’t take the stories in the Torah and Talmud as literal truth.

          • 2009 July 27
            Phil permalink

            Out of all the various Jewish sects and offshoots I bet some of them do.

          • 2009 August 3

            Both the Jewish and the Christian gods have one thing in common: They eat us. They eat us every single day. While they make their servants kill the hot blooded species for themselves, such as cows, lambs, and other animals, the only animal they relish is us. They kill us in war, car accidents, sacrifice, and other means, but in the end, the worm gods they worship feast every day on us as soon as we are buried. Their gods mimic the ice planet, the flame planet and the other planets and called themselves sun, moon, and stars.

            Sadly the viral priests make the people that they are watching for the worms think that the maggots are their relatives or themselves becoming flesh. The maggots are alien species from space. They repeatedly make their host proclaim that for them. That is why they call themselves “shepherds” and “Pastors”. Both the owners of the sheeps and the pastors and their children eat sheep. Isn’t that heartless. If they were our relatives, why would they eat us? If they were like us, why would they need us to worship them? Some viruses prostitute the body of the hosts, rape the children of the hosts, and even sell the children of thir hosts. All viruses want to be rich and famous so they can freely abuse others safely.

            Read my words and see that even our language is about ra and ri and re the viral gods of the judeo christians. All gods are viral worms and insects from space. They are not us and that is why no matter how much we feed them through sacrifice, they eat our children and us anyway.

            They are heartless, bloodless and do not know the meaning of “mercy”.

  21. 2009 July 26
    E. Michael Martin permalink

    These points seem to generalize both Atheists and Theists (of varying types). I have known people that believe in God that always take responsibility for their actions, who believe in evolution, and who do not use their faith as a crutch. I have also known atheists that blame all of their misfortune and bad choices on other people, who do not believe in evolution, and who use their stance on the non-existence of God as a tool social acceptance.

    There are bad people on both sides, so be careful not to generalize.

    I do think, also, that in order to sway those people whom you are talking about, it is most effective to use small, kind words to explain larger concepts and how they don’t interfere with the existence of God. The more they learn, the more likely they are to become at least agnostic. Statistically speaking, most conservative people with strong faith in certain belief systems are relatively under-educated.

    • 2009 July 26
      Phil permalink

      If we can’t generalise, no matter how well founded in fact, I assume you are therefore arguing we must be specific -which is not going to take any discussion very far it and it would have little or no value.
      Reglious people have written and loudly express their values which many of attempt to act on both in private and in public and attempt to influence ours lives accordingly, this surely allows generality. But even then what the heck is a christian, apart from believing in god and jesus as his son, but that’s about it, after that (if not before) their interpretations etc go every direction imaginable.
      Atheists, oddly, do not need to ‘believe’ in evolution or anything else, they are not proposing anything other than the non-exisitance of gods, that’s it. Religious types do have to counter evolution (among so many other facts, not beliefs) because it specifically contradicts their proclaimed knowledge.
      Sophisticated types like the Catholics have abandoned the failed ‘it’s all in the bible’ and have cheekily attempted to hijack science including Darwinism/evolution. I think their argument goes something like, ‘yep evolution is true, god used it to …’
      I was always told to watch out for the Jesuits, sneeky bastards.

  22. 2009 July 26
    http://elquemalempieza.wordpress.com/ permalink

    Good post!

  23. 2009 July 26
    jon permalink

    by definition atheism is certaily not a religion. though it seems some do practice their atheism “religiously”. having certain atheist doctrines and insisting that any true atheist adhere to them. some atheists show a great concern with proselytism. i think of myself as an atheosophist. as i am unable to discount that there may be some sort of catalyst that initiated existence from nothingness, that that catalyst might be considered a deity. i am, however absolutely convinced that there is no supernatural power involved in or even interested in the lives of individuals, or in humanity. and that there is no theology which possesses any accurate insight into the nature of any such deity, or even into the fact of such a deity’s existence. have enjoyed the discussion Mark. glad i stumbled on it.

  24. 2009 July 26
    Kiko Riaze permalink

    Excellent post!
    Here in Brazil most of people are christian or spirituals or believe in african gods, called orixas, like Santeria in North America.
    Its very difficult to an atheist express your point of view here. People think that atheists are bad and crazy people. They generally do a wrong relation between atheists and evils.
    I’m atheist, but I really like the buddisth philosophy. Buddists dont care about gods and they think all human are responsible for your acts.
    That’s the big difference between buddism and others religions. It’s fits better.
    But religions arent good for human evolution at all. So, congratulations on your post again.
    And forgive my English wtitting mistakes ;)

    • 2009 August 3

      It is the viruses in them that feel threatened. The viruses want to feel safe for the length of time that they have to live in the host. Trying to get their host to become atheists is not good for them. Through prayers, the viruses communicate their fear while they are doing their time. Religion is what sustain them and make them excited and confident. They are religious tribes and joining together in prayer keep them strong, otherwise they don’t really know what to do except trying to get out and it is that they are trying to kill the host to accomplish that.

      The viruses are very afraid of unreligious people. Have you ever heard religious people threatening another one of not going to heaven? Or they threaten the person to be buried in another cemetary among strangers? It is the viruses talking. When they become maggots, they want to be among their own even though they are incapable of loving like hot-blooded people do. This is what happens. When the viruses turned into maggots, they hatched later to look like their mother or father. Then these group of insects that mimic the hosts that they eat not only think that it is more superior than its race, that is where racism came from, but as well, the offsprings of these maggots will make it to the clouds with the help of the wind, which is going to heaven.

      These nasty viruses that are real killers will be capable to make lightnings, thunders, rain, and other things. That is why certain priests claim that their gods can make rain and that they pray to their gods for rain. The maggots learn what our bodies do, such as growling when we are hungry, and they recreate this sound in the clouds, which amplify that sound. They make lightnings as well by aligning themselves as positive and negatives ions. The viral eggs laid by the matured maggots are not hatched. They stay like them in viral form, until they returned to the earth when rain come down or when snow brings them back. That is the speck of dust in every snow. They are viral eggs. That is what they look like in us. That is why all viruses are waiting for their savior to return. While they are up there, there is a time they fall back down, maybe because the other eggs replace them or maybe because they are sent back for some reasons.

      So you will not be very popular if you are not religious. Even your religious family will shun you because they are no longer your family. Only religious viruses have family.

      • 2009 August 3

        Can I come to your blog and post nonsensical, aimless and off-topic comments?

        In other words, be to the point or just be gone!

  25. 2009 July 26
    eliram permalink

    Hi,

    I come from a country where atheists are the majority and the church and state are separated. Welcome in France! But I’m sorry, I cannot be agreed with you because atheism is an ideology for everybody read philosophy. What is an ideology? A view of the world that rests on a hypothesis of reality. I don’t know what is the reality or the truth but atheism just allows only material doubt when scientist doubt includes physics and metaphysics theories. So, the fight science vs/ religion is over since neoplatonist philosophers but I think nobody wants to know that. Why? Just ideology, not philosophy.

  26. 2009 July 26
    Some random guy permalink

    How can I say God doesn’t exist? Because I’ve looked for the evidence, and I haven’t found it. I’ve seriously looked for it, I’ve read books worth of crap on religious websites, and not one of them has put forth a piece of evidence. I’ve looked at scientific studies done on the efficacy of prayer and all of the studies I’ve seen show that prayer has no effect. I’ve read through as much of the bible as I can handle and talked to more Christians than I probably should forth the sake of my sanity, and health, and listened to them all.

    I’ve looked at the reasons, like the universe appearing to be designed, or supposed “miracles” happening, which could only be explained by some God. And looked at every other reason given by those who believe it. None of which have been able to hold water. Every single one of them have been proved wrong.

    I’ve looked for the evidence and there isn’t any. None. I’m not going to say that God is impossible.. The way religion has designed God is in such a way that he isn’t impossible, but is clearly impossible to disprove. Despite many of the definitions being contradicting, but I’ll let that slide as just a poor translation from the bible by man maybe.

    I’m just saying, if I am to believe in God, I am to believe in the flying spaghetti monster, and every other sense-less, evidence-less idea that anyone speaks of. I’m not going to give respect to anyone’s ideas that don’t make sense, are impossible by our current understanding of the universe and have no evidence to prove them.

    Does that mean I’m part of a religion? No! It means I’m apart of no religion! And not part of some belief system. So stop telling me I am! If you want to believe in God, you go ahead. Just leave me out of it!

    • 2009 July 26
      mzg0001 permalink

      An Omnipresent, Omniscient, and Omnipotent being is impossible, logically anyways.

      • 2009 July 26

        Actually, an omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent being should be possible, but you might as well call it ‘existence.’ There’s no reason to worship existence.

        • 2009 July 27
          mzg0001 permalink

          An intelligent being with those attributes would be impossible. Given that omniscience includes knowledge of what is going to happen, if he/she/it knows what is absolutely going to happen then he/she/it is powerless to stop it (defeating the omnipotence).

  27. 2009 July 26
    Jim permalink

    I hate it when some fundy tells me that, because I’m an atheist, that’s my religion. Atheism is a lack of belief, not a belief.
    I do, however believe there is no god, but that’s not a religion, either. I also believe that the sun will “rise” tomorrow, I believe that if I let go of my keys, they will fall to the floor, and I believe that if I fly west long enough, I will end up right back here. None of these is a religion.
    A religion is a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny.
    Fundies just don’t get it.

  28. 2009 July 26

    “Atheism” and “agnosticism” are both poorly understood terms. Gnosticism and agnosticism deal with knowledge. Theism and atheism relate to belief.

    Agnosticism, as defined by its creator, Thomas Henry Huxley, is similar to skepticism. It’s a means of examining reality that says, “show me”. Show me the evidence that leads to a certain conclusion, show me the process of getting from point A to point Z that supports the contention that point Z is true.

    Atheism is a rejection of the beliefs of those who claim that there are or have been gods. We do not accept the explanations and substantiations offered by believers in support of their beliefs.

    I am an agnostic atheist. Agnosticism is the tool I use to examine truth claims and atheism is the conclusion I’ve reached in the matter of belief in gods.

    • 2009 July 26

      “Atheism” and “agnosticism” are both poorly understood terms. Gnosticism and agnosticism deal with knowledge. Theism and atheism relate to belief.

      Thanks for the correct explanation, Jeber. ;)

      • 2009 July 30
        rox1smf permalink

        Great post Mark… and commenting here as a nod in Jack’s direction for clarifying the distinction between agnosticism and atheism, and how it’s possible to “be both.”

  29. 2009 July 26
    Some random guy permalink

    To the guy who wanted to use my sporting analogy, feel free to use it! I think it’s a much simpler way of looking at it. Hopefully will clear up people’s understanding of atheism.

  30. 2009 July 26
    TtotheZ permalink

    Religion is not just ‘organized’ religion. Religion itself is a natural tendency towards a belief with regards to tradition and intention. If I have created art because of compulsion, passion and belief in what I am doing, and I do so consistently, that is one of my religions.

    If I am a christian, muslim, jew, mormon, jehovahs witness or athiest, I am now part of an organized religion.
    Organized as in a collective that interacts dependent upon the variables by which their beliefs are founded; i.e. Theism or A-Theism.

    Sorry, but atheism is a religion, agnosticism is a tool.

    Regardless of whether or not your belief is that of a god or that of rational and free thought, you are still part of a ‘group’ of individuals which have a ‘belief’ and come together in different forms to promote that way of thought.

    Personally I have hundreds of personal religions and subscribe to multiple overview labels. For instance I consider myself an Omnieist or an Integralistic Quantum Buddhist using the tools of agnosticism to advance my own personal studies of that which I find binding.

    • 2009 July 26

      Sorry, but atheism is a religion, agnosticism is a tool.

      And I suppose theism is a religion too? Not!

      Here’s a pie graph of the major religions of the world. Notice that “atheism” is listed with “non-religious”.

    • 2009 July 26
      Gabe permalink

      where is the organization in Atheism? what rules do we have to follow, what tradions must we fallow to be good athiests? Who has the authority to excommunicate us from atheism. What book tells us how to please or displease no god? What pieces of clothing or jewelry do we wear to mark ourselves as members of this religion? What are the traditions of atheism that we all follow because we know if we do or we don’t no god will send us anywhere unpleasant or happy? Maybe if you can pin those things down about us atheists we can call them religouse, but until then the only common thread is No belief in any god, and trying to get out from under the thumb of people trying to run our lives based on some books written 2000+ years ago by a bunch of guys who wrote down stories that were already ageless at that point.

    • 2009 July 26
      Phil permalink

      And Humpty Dumpty said words mean exactly what I say they do.

      Okay if you want to call everything a religion go right ahead, you could probably start a religion with that. Just ignore the fact you’re pointlessly missusing the word for you’re fantasy world, but go for it.

  31. 2009 July 26
    Phil permalink

    If the moderator will allow I’d like to pose a problem:
    Most of my wife’s family are ex-budhists and now some kind of US-style big church evangelical bible bashers. They pray at the drop of a hat, when it rains, meals, journeys etc. Now I’m a life-long atheist (I happily say there are no gods) which they know, so what do I do when I meet, stay with them? She does not want me to rock the boat, at all, just go with the flow. They also regularly email us regligious tracts etc. What do you all have to say on this? What’s good for the goose…?
    I do not know how well known Bill Maher’s film Religulous (awful title) is but I’ve just seen it and it was treat. It was so good I want to send copies to my wife’s family. Frankly I’m astonished Bill is still allowed to draw breath in the good ol’ US of A. More power to him and fellow atheists.

    • 2009 July 26
      mzg0001 permalink

      Evangelicals are crazy. If you ask them to stop they proselytize more.

      I would send copies.

    • 2009 August 3

      Church and State are never separated. They are two entities that share one umbilical cord. Wherever there are religious people, there are deceit and there are oppression. It might not be blatant, but it is camouflaged.

      Apart from church, religion has many legs like an octopus. Religion is an octopus. All the other cults are branches of the head, the religion that is the strongest. The legs can break away from the body, but it is still made of the same properties and create legs of its own and become the head of these legs. That is why all religions have one underlying common point: deceit.

    • 2009 August 3

      Sending them copies of anything is a trap. It means that you are proselytizing as well. Then how can you call yourself different. Difference is to let them be and continue to stay away from religions, which is for viruses.

  32. 2009 July 26

    Is atheism a religion of any sort? Is it a group of people with different views on religions? Do Atheists have gathering, swearing to anyone, leaders, or something? As we are all viral, and viruses always want to dominate someone, are atheists like these religious people that bend on enslaving everyone to their gods? How do Atheist people live? Do they worship anything, since the viruses cause our species to worship them as gods and goddesses? Are atheists afraid to talk about the gods and goddesses of this world? Do Atheists offer sacrifices to gods and goddesses? Do Atheist worship anything in nature? Where are there any group that does not worship anything? Where are there any group that can discuss the things that are happening in this world with honesty? Do Atheists approve of RA, the gods of Arabia,Israel and the Entire Asia and RE the gods of the Israel and RI the god of Britain, and RO the gods of the Romans, and Ru the gods of Russia?

    Is the Atheist virus more tolerant than the other viruses that rule Earth, the planet of RA and RE, the blood sucking viral gods and goddesses?

    The Atheists claim to believe in Evolution? There is no evolution. There is the viruses letting our species do things when it serves them and there are other aliens coming on the planet brought by comets and other means, such as spaceships and the viral gods and goddesses claim credit for these accomplishment.

    Please, can the atheists answer these questions?

    • 2009 July 30
      MaryLynne permalink

      I can answer those questions.

      No, no, no, no, WTF?, no, no, no, no, no, WTF?, WTF?, no, no.

      I hope that was helpful.

      • 2009 July 31

        Well done!

      • 2009 July 31
        Sez Me! permalink

        MaryLynne,
        That was perfect!!

  33. 2009 July 26
    blueseashell permalink

    I love the sports analogy too! I don’t find any entertainment value whatsoever in watching others win or lose a game.
    I have not believed in a god for years and didn’t raise my sons on a fairy tale faith. Now I acknowledge I am an atheist as I have learned more of it’s true meaning, not a faith or religion. Mark, your post on what atheism is not, is awesome! Clears it up for me. Atheism has always been equal to a devil worshiper the way I had religion forced down my throat. Oh and Mark I am very glad I stumbled upon your blog! Thanks man, keep it up, “religion is a detriment to the progress of humanity”

    sidenote: as before when I did not capitalize christian spell check yells at me however atheism is fine in lowercase…hmmm.

  34. 2009 July 26

    Please tell me that Atheists were not blamed for 9-11! Lord! We could write a five pound book if we were to list every group that was blamed for that (and every other action of hate or weather or nature that scared the bejeeeebeeees out of everyone!).

    • 2009 August 3

      who is your lord? Only religious people called their lord for every reason.

  35. 2009 July 26
    TtotheZ permalink

    The term “Theism” can in fact be called a religion, but it is not an organized religion. Check the differences.
    “Atheism” is a term used to describe the belief that there is no god. It is a religion, but only became an organized religion when people gathered together in a group and all agreed that there was no god or gods.

    A belief shared is an organized religion. Atheism is an organized religion after it was just a religion.

    • 2009 July 26

      Theism and atheism are religions. Have you been to or seen the Temple of Theism or the Atheism Synagogue?

      “Theism” = belief in god(s).
      “Atheism” = the lack of belief in god(s)

      Simple word equation….no biased additives required!

    • 2009 July 26

      Anything that is a religion is nasty. It means slavery, force, oppression, hatred, anarchy, mercenary, human and animal sacrifice. If Atheists believe that there is no god, then they coul gather to discuss and analyze important subject and everyone should feel free to discuss any pertinent subject that turn people into religious killers. All religious people are dictators because they force people to serve them or nature. All religious people are thieves because they steal each other’s religious people. All religious people are murderers because without religious people there wouldn’t be so many wars. All religious people are invaders. Without religion, everyone would be at peace in their own countries. All religious people are slavers, because religious people enslave others. All religious people are rapists. Without religion there wouldn’t be any rapist. All religious people are hypocrites because no religious people is honest. All religious people are destructive because when religious people ask for peace, they mean war has to bring peace if nothing else works.

      So if atheist is religious in any form at all, they are all that I mention above and they are no different at all from the other religious people.

      So Describe an atheist.

      • 2009 July 30
        SpacePope permalink

        You know what you sound like?
        A Christian.

    • 2009 July 27
      mzg0001 permalink

      The term religion requires organization.

      • 2009 August 1

        Religion means Legion of “Re”. The Romans used to send legions of 100 people to fight. So the people of Re, which are legions of viruses, made that term to express the numbers of people sent to terrorize others. Notice that all religions use force because they are viral. All viruses are killers by nature even if they don’t kill the person instantly. For example, Some viruses will stay dormant the length of time that the person lives. These are the virus that turns into maggots. Some viruses will kill the person instantly so their descendants can go live in the clouds. The clouds are viral as well because the insects eggs live there as well. Everything is infected. Without the viruses, there wouldn’t be any religion. Only viruses are religious.

        The term religion is one of the vilest word that exists on the planet. Since Earth is religious, it means that all hot blooded animals, including us, are infected by viruses. It means that you eat people, because all viruses eat people, they call sheep, from other religions. Even though, they symbolize it eating flesh and blood through communion, by doing this it proves that all viruses eat people. Like jailers on death row, so are all hot blooded animals on this planet. Viruse are latent maggots they relish eating people just like when they become maggots they eat the dead. They just like rotten meat.

        So, if someone calls himself or herself Atheist and has anything to do with “gods”, “goddesses”, and sacrifice to anything, they are just one of the viral tentacles of the vermins that rule the planet.

        In the meantime, Roman means Man of Ro, the group that worship the sun because Latin America is sunny. And the Arab are the people of RA, because they worship the moon. So that is why the Democrat and the Republican, which are the men of RE rule the planet using their stolen riches.

        Now, there is a saying that people cannot lie, while all gods and goddesses, which are the bugs, are liars and deceivers. The Earth is ruled by liars. All governments are build on lie and deceit. How do they lie? The servants of the bloodless don’t tell the missionaries and the religious people that they, the gods, are bugs and they are viral bugs that live in people and cause them to die. They don’t tell the believers that they are on death row. They don’t tell the believers that they are killers. Only the rich people who accept their contract for “promise land” know that viruses have infected all of us. The rich people prefer the viral oxygen call wealth over their own flesh and blood. Maggots, viruses, don’t like to live in people for a long time. They have to transform into insects and send their offsprings to heaven, the clouds.

        If someone can sacrifice his or her children for “promise land forever” then no one is safe with that person. Can you imagine these people ruling the plane? Actually, they are. Religion is a virus and the gods and goddesses, the insects without blood and the fish, and all bugs without blood, are viral. People don’t become maggots. The viruses were there multiplying in the body of the people and when they die, the viruses, which are active bugs’ eggs, become maggots and later what they truly are: flies, gnats, millipedes, centipedes, worms, and other eggs we swallow when we eat salads and other raw fruits,, seafood and meat.

        Explain to me what Atheist really is.

  36. 2009 July 26

    AtoZ, that argument seems back asswards. Theism is organized religions (plural). Atheism is not a religion. I.E. Sexual describes someone active in sex. Asexual describes some who is not. That doesn’t mean an asexual person is gay, or bi, or anything else. It means they aren’t involved in sex. Hence Theism is religions, Atheism is not. (I know it’s a sad analogy, but that’s what the ‘A’ means when preceding a word. It means ‘not taking part in.’ (And shared beliefs are not a religion). Kind of absurd. Most believe that murder is wrong, but that doesn’t make prison a church.

  37. 2009 July 26
    Me? permalink

    Funny, an article regarding misconceptions of atheism full of comments with misconceptions about religions.

  38. 2009 July 26
    Anti-Theist permalink

    Not all points of view are equal in relevance and should not be treated as such. The case made by the theist so fervantly that Atheism is basically the same as a religion is deluded, ill informed and willfully ignorant. Non-belief in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster is not a religion. The onus is not on the unbeliever to prove their position, seeing as they are not making such grand claims based on so few, ya know, um… facts? (Anybody who then follows us with “well I’d argue with you over what a fact is” can go fuck themselves with a lethal injection preferably). A rejection of religious nonsense does not mean “we” and I use that so very lightly are likely to agree on anything past the rejection of an all knowing Personal God. Atheism is perhaps a start for a moral life but not the end result and should not be paraded as such, especially in that wholly false manner so adored by the religious apologists, as if “we” were making that claim.

    So yeah, good post.

  39. 2009 July 26
    anon permalink

    A quote attributed to Stephen F. Robert sums it up for me: “We are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

    • 2009 July 26
      Phil permalink

      Nice.

    • 2009 August 3

      Who was that dead jackass? Quoting after the dead means that as a living person, you are dead yourself and cannot come up with your own idea. Quote the dead and his/her maggots, the living take all the credits. People should let the dead be at peace. They shouldn’t quote them, nor name places after them to discourage the insects from putting viruses in people. Why don’t you try to make antiviral drugs to defeat the bloodless and stop eating raw meat of any kind and stop having sex in rivers and seas, and stop eating raw salad if its not sanitized to stop the infestations of our organs by the bloodless instead of arguing nonsense. This is a distraction that leads everyone nowhere. Our duty on this planet, which the bloodless named earth, was to annihilate the bloodless and heartless insects. But they infected us and we waste our time on nothing and let them overpopulate. Now they are ruling us.

      Isn’t it disgusting that a scientist attributes his/her knowledge to maggots and birds? How in the world can a bird make us smart. The birds as well are infested with worms, which are the alien viruses that affect all of us hot-blooded animals on earth. Even though we call ourselves people, because of the viruses living in us that are using us to pray to flies and maggots, we are less than these decaying nastiness.

  40. 2009 July 26
    Nick Knight permalink

    I did not check my spelling, I was in a hurry to type, as my son was wanting to show me something. All this stuff about Easter bunny worship etc. does not change the fact, that there is no true way to test the fact if there is some sort of higher being or not. There is not even away of knowing if we are asking the right question. Does a dog understand the Bible? Does he know it is a book? Does he have a full sense of itself? We do not have anything to compare the human mind to, or know if we could. At the end of the day no one knows. Hence atheism is based on some form of faith. I again argue that agnosticism (not knowing) is the only true position based on fact.

    • 2009 July 26

      Nick, we can know that the bible is based on other known myths (lies) by simple research and open mindedness. I think I’d prefer a dog’s interpretation of it to any modern day xtian. Although there is evidence that early xtians knew the stories were made up symbolism and myths, today xtians accept the bible as historical reality. I can’t wrap my head around that. Are there mysteries in life we don’t have answers to? Yes! But religion pretends to have the answers and it’s bullsh*t.

    • 2009 July 26
      Anti-Theist permalink

      Why does religion and the belief in a Personal God hold some special place in ascertaining whether something demands “respect” or the benefit of the doubt? There are countless things which do not have any significant evidence supporting them (like christianity, islam, judaism and so on) which one can discount as having no credibility without saying “oh but I suppose it’s best to say that no-one can ever disprove the existance of the Sasquatch Minstrel Intergallactic Barbershop Quartet is the only true position based on fact and as such I can never say with any certainty that the Sasquatch Minstrel Intergallactic Barbershop Quartet does not exist”. This is just nonsense. There IS no good evidence to support the existance of a personal god. Even if there was, the moral questions which immediately arise from acknowledging that God would, I hope, make following Him impossible to any thinking human being.

      Being unable to prove a “higher being” is not reason to subscribe to it wholeheartedly, or to temper your speech so as not to offend those precious souls who are hurt at a raised or gruff voice talking about their chosen deity. An unproveable “theory” is obviously not a sign of that “theory”’s strength but it’s incredible weakness. It is very reasonable to state that there is no God. As it is reasonable to state that there is no Sasquatch Intergallactic Barbershop Quartet. There *may* be, of course. But until concrete facts arrive, talking as if there is not only an insignificantly small chance but that there certainly is and legislation concerning equal rights in society should be centred exclusively around what the Sasquatch Intergallactic Barbershop Quartet deems appropriate is moronic. Religion in its various forms is far from harmless, in spite of the multitude of those who wish us to think otherwise. Being able to say “Yes, I do not believe any God exists and religion can go fuck itself” is important. “Keep your comments to yourself”, no, fuck you. Those of us who are sick of religious bullshit are going to continue to speak loudly and hopefully as obnoxiously as possible until you stop affecting legislation with babyish myths and daddy issues, stop reinforcing and arming bigots, homophobes, racists and women haters.

      Just browsing over the “hate comments”, it leaves me to say that these scientifically acquired (*chuckle*) percentages of “Less then 1% of priests are pedophiles” need a bit of context. If any other organisation in the world, except for a religious one, was found complicit in the systematic rape, physical and mental abuse of children in their care AND in covering that up so that those responsible do not face the legal consequences, refusing to pay up the accepted financial compensation agreed upon etc. etc. then I DOUBT that anyone would feel so generous in their comments. Fuck the Catholic Church and fuck anyone who apologises for what they have done.

    • 2009 July 26
      Phil permalink

      I was in a hurry to type, as my son was wanting to show me something….. All this stuff about Easter bunny …. there is no true way to test the fact ….. There is not even a way of knowing if we are asking the right question…….. We do not have anything to compare the human mind to….. no one knows. Hence atheism is based on some form of faith.

      Can you truly prove that you have a son, and that he wanted to show you something, perhaps he was asking the right question, how can we know? Can you even prove you? Given your confused statements presumably not, so I take it you’re agnostic about well, everything really.

      • 2009 July 26

        Your mockery is pathetic. Knowledge is hard to come by. The religions and the sciences of the world have all attempted to achieve a certain level of clarity regarding the mundane, but, no matter what means used, absolute truths are nowhere to be found. Atheism, as many have pointed out, is the lack of belief in gods. But to be an atheist, you must believe that you do not believe in gods, as you can not know a thing with absolute validity. Sure, living in constant scepticism is no way to live, but if we’re already talking about what is and what is not, you can’t deny that you can not know.

        • 2009 July 26

          But to be an atheist, you must believe that you do not believe in gods, as you can not know a thing with absolute validity.

          Absolutely absurd and a very childish counter argument.

          Do you “believe that you do not believe in pink elephants”? Do you know with absolute validity that pink elephants do not exist?

          That type of thinking is totally asinine.

          So….what brings you here? Do you hope to convert an atheist to a type of theism? Good luck.

          • 2009 August 1

            I know with absolute validity that for our species no god exists. Only viruses have gods.Only viruses go to heaven. Only viruses rule. Which species rule the planet? The species without blood and heart: The flies, the parasites. We were put here to destroy these bugs and the bloodless animals that infected the planet. But the viruses infected our species with poison and parasitic worms to protect themselves and they make us kill not only the animals with blood and heart like us, but ourselves as well. The viruses give us an illusion that we are safe on the planet, while in reality, we are their pods, and later their food.

            Who eat us when we die? The viruses do. Who created religions? The insects that put the viruses in us? Who make kings kill their own kids? The viruses do because they are insects’ eggs and don’t raise kids and cannot love. Who make people sacrifice their kids, killing them with their own hands? The viruses do. Who cause people to kill others? The viruses do. Who put people in jail? The viruses do. Who chopped people’s head? The viruses do. Who invented method to kill others? The viruse utilize our innate intelligence and let us invent method to kill other viruses they have problems with. Who make people use trees to make money? The viruses do because the viruses like mies eat trees.

            Why do viruses have gods? It is because they don’t want to be abandoned while they are being emprisoned in our body. After we die, the maggots have to join with their own species like when someone go back home from war because the viruses not only learned to live inside our species, but they get recognize for tormenting us causing our body to decay faster and the ultimate reward is to eat the body of the host.
            By doing so, the other insects recognize them as leaders and they become leaders of those who didn’t live inside us. Notice that the world of the insects is a replica of ours. The insects that live in us and later become maggots mimic us. They think that they are our equal or better than us, since they rule us, which were supposed to annihilate them. That is why they have queens, kings, and slaves just like us.

            So, by praying all the times, the viruses make those who are on the outside know that they are submissive and recognize their power. Viruses pray and since they multiply in our cells, they control our emotions and recognize them. They pray as well so they don’t get forgotten. Gnats and other bugs tell them what is happening on the outside when they bite us. Their poisons give us dream, which we interpret for the viruses. The viruses don’t have eyes and ears, but they learn to recognize our emotions. That is why the viruses multiply in our cells. IF the viruses want to leave, they try to kill us.

            Viruses love money because being rich they can dictate and kill at will.

            The owner of Victoria Secret, one of the rich viruses, have shown that rich vermins can corrupt at will and the government which is hypocritical because only corrupt viruses rule, let them do whatever they want. It is a sort of advertisement that will push other poor viruses to sell their family to them for wealth and power.

            If you want to see how viruses buy families for pods, look at the new game “Deal or No Deal”. Everyone who receives money sells their descendants as pods to the alien viruses. All viruses are aliens. They say so themselves.

            But they can’t go back because they are viral. And since we are infected ourselves, we can’t go back either because the viruses have caused the planet to encase us in shells, which the viruses called “spheres”, as well as “crystal ball.”

            So, our species have no god. How can we as people worship birds, no matter how huge or fantastic those birds may be? How can we worship some animals that are less inteligent than us? The birds cannot rule us because they were put on the planet to eat the maggots, the worms, and the bloodless, and annihilate them. They are not capable to complex thinking.

            The bloodless insects are another type of alien species. Since they live in us and steal our identities, therefore any animals that die, they claim to be those animals. They claim to be our relatives. They are so deceptive that we come to think that maggots of the dead are the dead resurrected. But the maggots, living in kings and queens, have said that they are different alien species from other planets.

            The nasty ones have come by comets. They are bugs sent here that are unwanted from other planets. Notice that all viruses have a problem with fire. Even though they pass themselves for the sun, moon, and stars, they are neither. They are using the scientists to find out how they can conquer the flame planet. The catholic religious viruses are are using the pods they live in to walk on flame for the purpose to conquer flame. They want to see if they can go to the flame planet and walk in this flame to conquer it.

            We have been overtaken by alien bugs and they made us their pods. Since they are viral, they turn the planet into a suited environment for themselves where bacteria grow at will. The more someone is religious, the more power they have, the more in control they are.

            So is there a god? If you are viral, the viruses in you have a god. The actual person made viral pod doesn’t.

          • 2009 September 1

            Actually, I am an atheist myself. Do not be fooled. My point is that I believe that there is no god and therefore there is no god for me. In the same sense, I believe that there is no pink elephant, therefore there is no pink elephant. I am simply tired of the argument that religion is like believing in the easter bunny, because it most certainly is just like believing in the easter bunny.

        • 2009 July 27
          Phil permalink

          Mockery is so much nicer than a bad temper, don’t you think?

          • 2009 July 27
            Anti-Theist permalink

            You’re both very amusing.

        • 2009 July 31
          Sez Me! permalink

          Sorry Pal,
          I do not “believe” that I don’t believe in gods. I fricken’ well KNOW that I don’t believe in gods!!

  41. 2009 July 26

    Bravo!

    • 2009 July 26

      Thank you. Lee!
      Coming from a fellow blogger I take that as the highest compliment.

  42. 2009 July 26

    “Atheism is not a form of liberalism, nor are we all Democrats as many conservative Christians may imply. We are Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Green Party, Libertarians, Socialists and other partisan party affiliates.”

    Do you know a democratic party is made of religious people.
    The name of Ra, the god of the democrat is part of the name of the party. As well, Republican is a religious party. Re is the god of the Republicans. Notice that the word Green has the name of Re in it and Libertarians has the name of Ra, Ri, and Re in it. Except for Socialists, all these parties carry the names of their gods. They join the atheists to avert danger against their gods. That is why they rule. They claim that their gods gave them the planet and all that is in it. Anything that threatens their gods that gave them all this is to be taken seriously. So, you are being watched by these people and they are protecting their assets.

    • 2009 July 27
      Me? permalink

      Do you gorge yourself on paint chips or something?

  43. 2009 July 26

    ive been called comunist, among other things. The best one is to be called SAD or UNHAPPY. Those make me crack!
    Very nice post.
    Miguel

  44. 2009 July 26
    Sez Me! permalink

    I am both atheist and anarchist yet came to each from different outlooks and for different reasons. That they occasionally mesh well together is a delight I’d not looked for.

    The assumption about atheism which most annoys me, after the one that assumes that atheism is a “different set of beliefs”, is the one that says we atheists “choose to disbelieve” in god(s). As though believing in nonsense is the ‘norm’ and we (smirk, grin, y’just had ta be ‘different’ didn’t ya) opted out of that norm. Well they’ve got it wrong again (surprise, surprise!) I cannot be anything other than an atheist. That’s right, I said CANNOT!

    So long as I have a properly functioning mind and an ability to reason it is quite literally impossible for me to ignore the total lack of evidence for the existence of any sort of creator/supreme being. If I said that I flew to the moon yesterday, I could give you more reason to believe me than is available to prove the existence of any god.

    On the contrary it is the believers who choose to ‘believe’ in something they are fully aware, at some level of their being, is non-existent. Why cry at funerals if the “dearly beloved” is off to heaven? Surely that ought to be cause for rejoicing!

    And when do these people, who talk incessantly of the ‘joy’ and ‘happiness’ their belief brings them, ever smile!! during discussions of religion? I smile more when I get a flat tire, fer Pete’s sake!

    And lookit how they behave from Monday to Friday. If they had any fear of hell at all they’d be quaking in their wee booties at their own behaviour. They’d better hope that their ‘god’ is a mighty forgiving son-of-a-gun, I can tell ya that!

    • 2009 August 1

      Everything you say makes sense, but all of us, no matter what we say, are viral. I can tell you why you are as infected by another type of virus no matter that you are an atheist, is that as a man, you are supposed to annihilate the viruses of the earth and teach your children to annihilate roaches, flees, ticks, worms and all insects, but instead the viruses have made you and your families their servants.

      The viruses make the men be distracted from their mission to annihilate them and instead use all types of distraction to make them forget that the bugs, viruses, have conquered them and that they are just pods and food for the bloodless.

      Notice that there are two groups of animals on earth: the ones with heart and blood and the ones without heart and blood. The latest reproduce more than us and infect us with their poisons and their eggs.

      They infect women mostly with viruses that distract men, making them use their body sexually. The viruses and insects mimic us and multiply more than us and are ruling us. Instead of annihilating them, they made us help them multiply. They made us think that they are needed and are part of nature. They are the gods and goddesses of the people of the earth.

      They made us believe that earth is a wonderful place,while it is not. Just as oysters encase impurities in a shell, so these bacteria and viruses cause the planet to encase us in shells called “spheres”.

      All animals with blood and heart are infected. The apes are infected with lice, flees, and ticks, which keep them from doing their jobs: combatting the ones without blood and heart and annihilate them. Notice that the viral people, the religious missionaries declare that animals with blood and heart called “sanguines” used to live together. The viruses given to all of us by the bloodless made us kill each other. In kings, the viruses have taught the animals to eat our species and their own species. Now the viruses in the scientists have stopped the scientists from revealing who they are. Instead the scientists are helping them. They failed again.

      The viruses entertain us by giving us actors, not for us though, but for them to pass the time while waiting for us to decay and die. Then, they freeze the body of the dead and the viruses are preserved until they bury the body, which the viruses are going to eat when its putrefies. Just like the butterfly eats away its shells when it’s matured, so the maggots eat away their pods when the time come to leave. The butterflies by doing so are telling the maggots living in us how to escape from their tombs when we die. The animals are not serving us, the bloodless serve only each other.

      Since the air is viral, the viruses in the air harm us as well. Since the clouds are viral, they cause tornadoes, twisters, and all types of disasters. The priests of the earth are purely viral, since they accepted to give their bodies to the viruses for wealth and power. Their job is to keep everyone fearful and create illusions of someone greater than everyone, while the viruses are just insects and they are the gods the priests make everyone worship.

      As you said, our species cry when their love ones die. So you can see that it is not our species that rejoice on Sunday, it is the viruses in them that are religious that rejoice on religious day of worship. The people are sick and the priests want it this way. The more religious they are, the more powerful the viruses are, the more powerful the priests are.

      Viruses are content and rejoice when the hosts die. They have accomplished their goals and they can go home to the insect realms as warriors just like when people came out of Iraq. That is why everyone will tell you, a sick person is very cheerful before death. While the real person dies in fear, the viruses are content to leave this world for their own world. The viruses are in reality viral eggs of flies, fruitflies, gnats, and other food that people eat raw, such as fish, which have worms, and salad, which as well have worm eggs.

      The planet, to protect itself from these viruses’ infestation, has encased us in spheres. Since the viruses don’t want us to go anywhere as we are their pods, they make us believe that earth is our home and that is the way it is supposed to be. All viruses that live in king told their subjects that they came from other planets. They are the ones that use our mouth to name the planets they came from. Why would scientists take sample of all species to preserve them? It is because the viruses will fulfill the part of their religious books where they flood the earth. Notice that only scientists that believe in gods and goddesses came up with this plan. The viruses who became rulers of the earth by living in us planned to annihilate all species and start over with the clones.

      They are not the same species as us. They enslave us from small to great. There are no great people on the planet, but there are great flies and great maggots that manage to make us their houses, pods, machines and other instruments they called us. By calling us this way, they tell us that we are just things for them and things don’t have feelings. Just like we can bang our house, wreck it, and do other things to eat, so the viruses treat us. They make themselves the drivers and us the machines.

      Doctors and scientists that have gods and goddesses are viral. They are killers. Virus doctors take care of their own, not everyone, and they are priests that become doctors to stop the real doctors . The viruses don’t get along. They are not intelligent, but their mimicry of their environment make them seem intelligent. So you will see that missionary viruses, priests, and pastors mimick each other.

      Th\e gay virus mimic the counties that legalized gay marriage. Study the behavior of the viral people. They mimic each other. They live in us to learn to mimic us and manipulate us. Those that survive and become maggots rule the world of the insects and the bloodless.

      Those that live in us and become maggots make babies, which the viral wind picks up and sends to the clouds where they mimic the noise of hunger in our belly to make thunder and the electricity in our heart to make lightnings. In the sky they learn to align themselves as positive and negative to create electricity. Notice that tornadoes and twisters always happened where there are people. Notice as well that tornadoes become strong when they create a body with the garbage and things they pick up. Notice that the forms of tornadoes and twisters are like giant worms.
      The maggots are not worms, but they mimic the environment they lived in for a long time: our inner organs.

      So you see how our species cries and lament when their love ones die. So the maggots took the identity of their victims and demand that the family of their victims worship them since they know what lives inside that person: A group of viruses like them. The actual victims are tricked by the maggots to worship the maggots that successfully made it because they think that the maggots are their love ones resurrected, while the viruses, the active dormant state of the maggots in the person, in reality, killed that person.

      Notice that the maggots the people worship make them speak about them in every sentence. Our species always ask what is the name of the god they worship, while every word they say includes the names of the worms that made themselves gods of the earth and that name the earth after themselves. Every street is named after a virus. The maggots are the killers of our species and all species that have blood and heart. They kill us because we were sent here to annihilate them to rid the planet of it sickness caused by the bloodless.

      They viruses are the ones that worship everything in their environment.

      Note that the viruses are the ones that cause our bodies to decay faster because they cannot stay in our body forever. They are the ones that always eat us after we die. As many maggots you see in a dead body, that is how many times the viruses multiply in our body during our lifetime.

      The viruses use the women of our species to distract us. They use ticks, lice, and other blood drinking insects to keep the apes from annihilating them. They keep our species at a minimum through war, pestilence, and other means so we can never be more than they are. They create games and other entertainments using our brain and our inherent knowledge just to keep us from annihilating them. Note that the insects harvest even the air leaving our body when we die so it doesn’t leave the planet and that is why as well the air that we breathe is made viral by the bugs.

      The proof is there that as you say if the people of our species die and go to heaven, they should rejoice. But no one ever rejoiced to see their love ones go to heaven, not even the pastors, nor the priests that condemned everyone to become food for the maggots. While the rich people rule and send their sons to die for their kingdoms, the viruses killed their kids and the viruses rule the kingdoms. They have nothing but eating good food and be the best pods that they can be.

      Then the multitude of the maggots become flies, mosquitoes, and other insects, but they think since they live in humans, they are humans. So when you see money with the face of president and kings on it, you are looking at what viruses look like. That person was a bloody monster. While the king is definitely dead, the maggots’ descendants still live and claim ownership of everything that king possessed including his children, which are infected with viruses.

      Anything that moves is alive and anything that can die is not eternal. So, the flies can die and all bloodless can die. Their eternity is in the fact that they reproduce so fast and in such numbers that they claim immortality. Only maggots go to heaven, the clouds. The first generation of maggots does not go to heaven, the second generation goes to heaven in the form of eggs. Not one of our species go to heaven since they are eaten by bugs and the air that leaves their body is recybled by the bugs that live in the proximity of that person.

      It is sad and terrible that such a person as you, which is remarkably intelligent is infected as well. But the actual you is fighting. Nevertheless, just like the bears succombed to the degradation of its body without succesfully annihilate the bloodless fish, and just like the apes spend their times grooming themselves to get rid of their infestations instead of annihilating the bugs, and just like the birds instead of eating the worm eggs to keep them from reaching the clouds are fed instead by the viruses in the religious people with our food, so you are conquered by the viruses that keep you from annihilating them. Our man instead are distracted by women, like they never knew sex, by gadgets, and filling the earth with trees for the insects that are killing us.

      Eart Day is celebrated by those who have no heart and no blood. The one planting re the virues living in us using us as artificial hands and feet.

      • 2009 August 2
        Phil permalink

        Go see a doctor, urgently. SERIOUSLY.

  45. 2009 July 26

    Atheism is for people that do not mind being responsible for their own actions…

    Atheism has nothing to do with taking responsibility for one’s own actions. I hate it when people try to make atheists look ‘respectable.’ Not all atheists are willing to take responsibility for their actions, nor do they necessarily rely on morality to make their decisions (as implied on many other sites).

    • 2009 July 26

      If you want to continue blasting at atheists, you need to go to an anti-atheist blog.

      This is an atheist blog and more importantly, my blog.

      Please keep in mind, there is a Comment Policy here.
      If you want to spew anti-atheist messages, do it at a Christian blog or forum, NOT HERE!

      • 2009 July 27
        Me? permalink

        The man’s posting an opinion. Is there something wrong with an opinion that doesn’t mirror your own? If so, you’ve just proven that atheism is a religion.

        • 2009 July 27
          anon permalink

          how’s that work then?

        • 2009 July 29
          mzg0001 permalink

          No, just proves that Mark gets enough people filling up his comments with “atheists are evil because the don’t believe in sky-pixies” spam and is willing to stop people from making “Hit and Run” comments in the future.

        • 2009 July 31
          Sez Me! permalink

          There is obviously “something wrong” with any opinion that does not mirror mine (I can’t speak for Mark, of course) but if someone’s opinion is different from mine and I think mine is right, then theirs is obviously wrong. And, of course I DO think mine is right. If I thought mine was wrong, I’d change it. If someone provides me with information which makes me change my opinion then, and only then, was my previous opinion wrong. But that’s OK because the new information has NOW made my new opinion right…..get it?

    • 2009 July 27
      Phil permalink

      Although I suspect you are deliberately misunderstanding ‘take responsibility’ to set up a straw man, no atheists claims ipso facto to be a pefect person – unlike so many of the religious – and they may well, rightly, blame external forces (education, politics, health etc) for their problems, but they do not make any claims based on the intervention or otherwise of so-called paranormal demons, devils, angels or gods for their good, bad or indeferent fortunes.

  46. 2009 July 27
    Phil permalink

    Oops, my spelling’s gone to pot: indifferent

  47. 2009 July 27
    anurag2k4 permalink

    For me…….yeh! i too don’t believe in visiting temples/churches etc for spiritual purpose. Because if some God really exist, then he will mark you anywhere, no need to go to them explicitly.

    Further, each religion says if you don’t follow my rules, then you will face evil…etc etc………..But in that case everybody is going at the same place, as each one of us is betraying or not following the others religion. So the faiths are illogical.

    So its better if we follow our heart, don’t betray each other, leave peacefully and let others. Then only we will get that spiritual peace for which we visit such places of hypocrisy.

  48. 2009 July 27
    heather permalink

    how about this… you don’t belive in anything and are happy about that so why can’t you let people who do believe be happy as well? it’s really no ones right to take away someone’s happiness or the pursuit there of… most atheists as I have observed on this forum and those I know in my own life really love to put believers down and try to “correct them” and I really don’t understand why a group of people who don’t believe in anything feel like they have to be the ones saving us “from ignorance”… live and let live, seriously. don’t get mad if a christian tries to witness to you… our belief requires we try to share our good news… your lack of belief doesn’t. it shouldn’t be any one’s lot in life to make someone else feel like a bad person.

    • 2009 July 27

      You can have your fairy tales if you like, but atheists are not the ones knocking on doors telling people they should believe in imaginary friends suffer eternally in Hell.

    • 2009 July 29
      Phil permalink

      Wow! Talk about hypocrisy and double standards.
      Heather, you really take the biscuit for muddled thinking and 100% bullshit. Are you real or a troll?
      Ignoring the ‘atheists don’t believe in anything crap (science, facts etc) ‘why can’t WE leave believers alone’ – you don’t because it’s your ‘belief’ so that’s all right then, and you’re beliefs are horribly, horribly wrong, but that’s okay and of course so many believers try prevent others from contraception, abortion, sex before marriage, stem cell science, education about evolution, blood transfusions, even educating girls in many countries and restrictions on commerce on Sundays to name just a few. And that’s without touching on the believers who turn to the gun and bomb, because that’s what belief tells them to do.
      Which world do you live in, or am I spoiling your happiness by asking? I do hope so.

    • 2009 July 30
      rox1smf permalink

      Keep your religion out of my government and I might relax a bit, though I’m sure to go to my grave proudly rejecting any superstitious nonsense spouted at me by believers.

      • 2009 July 30

        Well said.

    • 2009 July 31
      Sez Me! permalink

      Heather,
      I’m sure that no atheist wants you to feel “like you’re a bad person”, but you must remember, my dear, that “when you lie down with dogs, you’ll wake up with fleas”. Throughout history religious people have done the most despicable things in the name of religion. Are you surprised then that un-religious people consider religious people capable of the most horrible things?

      I’m sure that, if you look at the things religious people have done, you will see that it is they who “make you feel like a bad person” for being associated with them and their deeds, and not the atheists who merely point out those mis-deeds.

      • 2009 August 2

        You are the only one that says what he thinks without flowery details. The scientists agree that everyone is viral, but they say they don’t know where the viruses came from. Why? The virus makers are under their noses. They are just hypocrites. The virus makers are the animals that eat the dead, born in decay, and that managed to put their offsprings in us so they can learn to be “human.”

        Then why everyone pretends to be inherently normal? Even the atheists are viral because they live with the makers of the viruses: the heartless and bloodless insects of both land and sea. They got injected by venomous poisons of the insects as well. They breathe the viral air as well. They play as child in the viral earth as well. They put bacterial things in their mouth when they were children as well. They die early as well.

        Viruses multiply as they are possessing the body and they mimic their environments. When people die, the millions of maggots are the result of the multiplication of the virus we live in during our lifetime. Why then the scientists which have the knowledge to go to space do nothing to stop that from happening? Why don’t they spend their times making anti-viral drugs to fend the assaults of the insects on us? Answer is because they are viral as well. The viruses control them to and let them make clones to replace all hot blooded species. The viruses that rule them permit them to use their inherent knowledge to show off.

        Every tribe of viruses have something to show off. The towers in every realm tell how well the kingdom of a certain virus is doing, but it is dangerous as well because the viruses can mount an army to go cease the wealth in their rival kingdoms .

        Am I nuts? NO. I am just honest and level headed. Even the atheists chose to bury their head in the sand or maybe they are just viruses blowing hot steam or want to be recognized. All viruses want attention, that is why they do everything to become rich and famous, even prostituting their hosts.

        Another thing: When someone says that they are sorry, they mean that “Is Ro and Ry”. The viruses in that person accuse the two worms Ro and Ry for all nastiness that they do.

    • 2009 July 31
      zunedita373 permalink

      “it shouldn’t be any one’s lot in life to make someone else feel like a bad person.”

      Right. Only Christians can do that.

      “don’t get mad if a christian tries to witness to you… ”

      Right. It’s okay for Christians to do it. Not Atheists.

      “our belief requires we try to share our good news… ”

      Good news? What good news? That Obama is a secret Muslim? That Pat Robertson doesn’t own secret diamond mines? That the cabal at C Street ISN’T trying to rule the world, coopting easily corruptible Republican legislators like Tom Coburn, Todd Tiahrt and John Ensign?

      Besides! We’ve been polite about it. You must’ve missed the warning at the top of the page: “There will be blasphemy of your gods and mocking of your scripture and rituals. If this blog offends you, you need to leave. ” All for charity, babe. All for charity.

  49. 2009 July 27
    anon permalink

    here’s another quote that sums it up nice for me

    “It annoys me that the burden of proof is on us.It should be:
    ‘You came up with the idea. why do you believe it?’
    I could tell you i’ve got superpowers. But i can’t go up to people saying
    ‘Prove I can’t fly.’ They’d go: ‘What do you mean ‘Prove you can’t fly’?
    Prove you can!’”

    Ricky Gervais-on being atheist

  50. 2009 July 27

    LOGIC AND FACT TIME!

    First, I’m 74 years old and an Agnostic Atheist Activest. Over the years, I’ve belonged to quite a few Atheist groups and I am presently a member of FOUR of them. I am a Founding Member of “Atheists United” and belong to the “Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers”.

    I knew Madlyn Murry O’Hair (who started “American Atheists”) both her sons & her grand daughter. I KNOW Gaylors and Dan Barker of the “Freedom From Religion Foundation” & know many other Atheists. So when I talk about Atheists I do have more knowledge than most.

    1. MOST Religious people are JUST as SANE as MOST Atheists.

    2. OTHER than when they are discussing ANY subject OTHER than their VERY OWN religion, (And anything connected there to like evolution, abortion, etc.) MOST Religious people are JUST as LOGICAL and as RATIONAL as are MOST Atheists.

    3. As MOST Religious people are ONLY Religious because they were FORCE FED the religious views of those who raised them. As this PROGRAMMING is VERY VERY Powerful, MOST Religious people do not even attempt to DE-program themselves and some who do try are not successful.

    All that said, at least I can FULLY UNDERSTAND how these ppor programmed people will NOT use logic, will refuse to learn FACTS and/or will DENY any facts which PROVE THEM WRONG!

    Therefore, I have one hell of a lot more respect for them than I do for the many closed-minded, illogical, irrational IDIOT Atheists who are so STUPID as to REFUSE to LEARN and/or who DENY THE MANY FACTS WHICH PROVE THE IRAQ WAR IS FULLY JUSTIFIED AND A NECESSARY PART OF OUR WAR ON TERROR!

    Neil C. Reinhardt

    • 2009 July 27
      anon permalink

      you obviously know alot less about the war in iraq then you do atheism then!
      I’ll ask you two questions

      1. how many terrorists were in iraq before the allies invaded?

      2. how many are there now?

    • 2009 July 29
      Phil permalink

      Neil, I’m impressed with your obvious grasp of psychology and ability to present a cogent argument, but you should have written that in green ink. Your many years among atheists were clearly wasted.
      Even your own president does not share your political analysis.

    • 2009 July 30
      zunedita373 permalink

      First of all, I don’t think I’m prejudiced against old people, but there’s no way this guy’s 74 years old. You’re not going to find many 74-year olds prowling around on the web. They’re probably FBI or NSA.

      Second, I’m so tired of hearing about the War on Terror. The way I prefer to look at our attack on Iraq is from a high schoolers’ perspective. In prison, it’s the opposite. In prison, you have to beat the shit out of the toughest guy to get street cred. In high school / middle school, you pick the weakest kid and pound on them. Between Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq was the weak kid, so that’s who we… that’s who DUMBYA picked. Plus, they tried to kill his daddy.

      No, I’m still tired of the so-called War on Terror. I’ve had my conversion on the road to Dumb-Ass-Cus now that the scourge of Bush Cheney has been swept out of office like a cake of cat food that falls out when the bowl gets knocked over. We’ve still got some gravy to clean up now.

      Third, I’m new to all this, but I have yet to hear an Atheist complain about the quality of Atheists in general. Isn’t that really just your roundabout way of saying we should come to Jeebus?

  51. 2009 July 27
    greg permalink

    my toast looks like toast. :)

  52. 2009 July 27

    Well Anon.

    What is wrong? NO GUTS? Will not use your real
    name as I do?

    Look CHILD,

    First, I obviously know one hell of a LOT MORE about the war than YOU, or ANY ANIT-WAR PUKE does.
    (I call em PUKES as I would really love to hold them down and PUKE in their stupid faces.)

    Second, your comments PROVE you are just like the programmed Christians who are too lazy to get the fats or too stupid to be able understand what the facts mean!

    Third, YOU should learn how to ask LOGICAL and INTELLIGENT questions which CAN be answered rather than IDIOTIC ones which NO ONE can answer

    Forth, Any rational, intelligent & logical person who has ACTUALLY PAID ATTENTION and/or is NOT TOO LAZY to DO THE RESEARCH and GET THE FACTS and/or are NOT TOO STUPID to be able to comprehend what the facts mean, KNOW I am correct.

    Fifth, the Number of Terrorists in Iraq before the war started is NO MORE relevent to anything than the number of Guns in the U.S. is relevent to the percent of gun crime. What IS very relevent, Oh Illogical One, are things like:

    A. The number of terrorists from around the world who were trained IN Iraq during the time Saddam’s regime was running things. THOUSANDS of them

    B. The number of terorists who had killed Americans and others who were given Safe Haven in Iraq.

    C. The number of Terrorists and Terrorist groups Saddam Armed, Funded and provided Intelligence to.

    D. The number of Iraqi Intelligent Security Agents who committed Terrorist acts. Like IIS agents were linked to the FIRST World Trade Center bombing.

    E. The number of Terrorist groups Saddam had links with.

    And YES Child, this includes bin Laden! In fact, in 2002, an article published in Saddan’s OWN SON’s Newspaper gave the name opf the Iraqi Minister Saddam had selected as his go-between.

    dD. A July 2002 BBC article reported both Taliban and Al Quada forces were fighting Saddam’s enemies
    in North Eastern Iraq. This was in an araa the locals referred to as “Iraq’s Tora Bora”

    Within in two days of our starting to LIBERATE the Iraqi’s, I watched some of my FELLOW PARATROOPERS
    of the 173 Airborne fighting this Terrorist scum
    in that area.

    Enough for now as I have more to do that attempt to educate fools who are too ignorant and too lazy to educate themselves.

    Neil C Reinhardt AIRBORNE 101st Airborne Div

    LOOK CHILD,

    FOR years I’ve been sending anti war pukes a list of EIGHTEEN FACTS which PROVE the Iraq War was fully justified and NOT ONCE has any anti war puke
    provided one shred of evidence much less PROOF any of them are not valid.

    Last, when you get in battle of wits with someone
    as knowledgeable, experienced and intelligent as I am, the odds are EXTREAMLY HIGH YOU WILL LOSE!

    This, OH Totally UN-informed One includes my Atheist and Genius Friends, Eugene Volohk (one of the very top legal mindes in the United States) and whose blog gets OVER 20,000 hits a DAY and Cliff Walker of the Positive Atheism website.

    Plus trhere are MANY othre Atheists

    • 2009 July 28
      anon permalink

      1. no terrorists were ever trained in iraq that was afghanistan, Saddam hussein never tolerated extremists . if there ever were any in his country when he ruled they would of dissapeared during the night as he ruled the country like stalinist russia (learn your history so as stated before i don’t doubt you know alot more than me about atheism but you obviously no alot less about the war in iraq.)

      2. since the regime in iraq was taken out in iraq the country has now fluded with insurgents and extremists from all over the middle east. Syria, Iran to name a few.
      which is why there are now so many British and US servicemen now dying for no good reason in this country.

      You have obviously fallen for the war propaganda put out by your country and fallen for it very well indeed.

      And as for insulting me and acting in the araggont manner as you have are you sure your really 74.

      I also like the way you believe something just cause you have read it but yet you don’t believe the bible!
      and yes i am an atheist too, but i don’t choose to believe somthing just because it is written down somewhere, as regards to saddams son’s newspaper did the thought never cross your mind that it may just have been propaganda.

      and as for the amount of gun crime related to the amount of guns in the US
      so by this reasoning the columbine school massacre would have still happened if there had only been guns available to the armed forces and police in the US and not civilians. i think not.

      as said before i think you need to be a little less arrogant and a bit more open minded there is an old taoist story among martial artists that goes like this.

      There is an old Taoist story about a
      student who comes to a master and asks him
      to teach him. The master invites the student
      to sit with him and have tea. While they are
      sitting the master starts to converse with the
      eager young student. But every time the
      master starts to explain a point the student
      would interrupt him and say, “Oh I know
      that, I do this when that happens, or I don’t
      have that problem because…” Soon the
      master stopped talking and picked up the
      teapot. He began pouring tea into the
      students cup, as the cup filled he continued
      pouring until the cup overflowed and spilled
      out. The student shouted stop! It is enough
      my cup is full! With that the old master
      smiled and replied, yes your cup is full,
      therefore I can teach you nothing until you
      empty your cup.

      think of the master as life in general

    • 2009 July 30
      zunedita373 permalink

      Hey Neil Reinhart, here’s an intelligent, logical comment for you. Go fuck yourself. Go puke in your own face for a change. I don’t know what war you were in, but obviously you don’t care about the freedoms we’re enjoying that you were supposedly protecting. Gimme back the tax money I’m paying for your health care, you jackass. Then go step on a land mine for good measure.

      “Last, when you get in battle of wits with someone
      as knowledgeable, experienced and intelligent as I am, the odds are EXTREAMLY HIGH YOU WILL LOSE!”

      Of course we’ll lose, but at least we use Spell Check.

  53. 2009 July 27

    OPPS,My bad. I screwed up as I did not either spell check my typos OR proof read it. Thus my errors in it. SORRY!

    The “many other Atheists” should have ended with “WHO AGREE WITH ME!”

    and my “Enough for now”, should have been at the very end of all of my post.

    Bad on me. Slap my hand!

  54. 2009 July 27
    Sez Me! permalink

    To: Neil C………..
    Your rant (“comment”) to anon sounded identical to a religious rant to me. YOU and ONLY YOU have ALL THE FACTS and are ALWAYS RIGHT. Anyone who might disagree with you is a PUKE and UNINTELLIGENT, etc., etc.

    From where I sit, you’re as brainwashed as any religionist. AND you prove it with your own rant!

    Atheist? You? Nah, yer a full blown believer. Your religion is the military.

  55. 2009 July 27

    Hey Heather,

    TRY GETTING A CLUE!

    Live and let live?

    Do you know what the word “HYPOCRITE” means?

    It is YOU who have come to an Atheist site to Push your CHILDISH MYTH on US

    It IS YOU who does not seem to know you should not go where you are not wanted and then insult us by saying we do not believe in ANYTHING when we believe in LOTS of things.

    While we believe in Knowledge, Facts. Logic, Common Sense, the Scientific method for arriving at our conclusions, Experience and in MANY other rational things, we do not believe in any of the more than 25,000 make-believe gods people like you have INVENTED! (so far)

    It IS Christians who will not vote for us no matter how exceptionally otherwise well qualified we may be.

    It IS Christians who discriminate against us, who persecute, who do not hired us,do not permote us and fired us ONLY because we do not believe in their anti-scientific, irrational and illogical
    myth.

    It is Christians who send us hate mail and/or make hate phone calls to us.

    it IS Christians who have vandalized our property, boycotted our businesses, attacked our children and even our pets

    It IS Christians who still hold “Witch Trials”

    It IS Christians who rob our banks to fund their terrorist hate groups. It is Christians who belong to the KKK, The Aryan Nation and groups of other such scum.

    It IS Christians who blow up abortion clinics, gay bars and the Olympics. It is Christians who kill health care workers and homosexuals.

    It IS is Christians who beat and Kill us

    WSo try getting your head out of the dark place it must be in! Try learning the truth and stop wallowing in the deep dark caves of ignorance!

    Neil C. Reinhardt

  56. 2009 July 27

    How Cute!

    Another LOW LI(FE COWARD who uses the name “Sez Me!”

    1. You can see NOT anything from where you sit because your head is too far up your ignorant ass.

    IF you were even part way informed, you would know being in the military does NOT mean you support any, and all wars.

    2. WHERE, Oh Brain Dead One, did I SAY:

    “I HAD ALL THE FACTS?”

    LOOK STUPID, I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE SAID I HAD “ALL THE FACTS” ON ANY SUBJECT!

    ONLY TOTAL IDIOTS LIKE YOU WOULD SAY SUCH STUPID THINGS.

    3. ANYONE whose public comments on things PROVE they have NOT taken the time and expended the energy to get the facts and/or are too dumb to be able to fully comprehended what the facts mean ARE being STUPID!

    This INCLUDES ALL Anti-War Pukes!

    4. YOU are so STUPID you do not even know what the definition of religion is.

    5. Yes, Oh PUKE Faced One. I was in the military.
    You know, those are the people who train, fight, are wounded, and die so total IDIOTS like you can shoot off your ignorant mouths in a free country.

    What have YOU done for the freedom of others?

    I will bet it is NOTHING!

    YOU probably do not even give Blood!

    I’ve been an manager in some of Americas TOP companies as well as an industrial engineer. (As well Life Guard, deep sea diver & bouncer.)

    What do you do. Wash dishes?

    YOU are such a TYPICAL LOSER who attacks me instead of proving what I said is wrong. Of course, as you can not prove what I said is wrong as they are FACTS.

    (Not that I expect anyone as mentally,y challenged as you are to even know what a fact is.)

    Last, call me a liar again and you best hope I do not find you as you will find out how military I am!

    And Child, there is no one who is more dangerous than someone who has lived so long they do not care if they die.

    • 2009 July 27
      mzg0001 permalink

      Giving blood makes me pass out.

      • 2009 August 3

        The insects we live in cause us to have all type of ailments. They are flying viruses and bacteria. Nonetheless we not only let them multiply, we are planting trees for them so they can multiply more. When you give blood, what you save is the nasty viruses that are in the body of the person. But we are loving people and the viruses take advantage of that. We have to see people as people, but we have to acknowledge that viruses are ruling the planet. When we go to the doctors, since the doctors took oath in the name of the dead person to practice their fields, the doctors are viral. So when we go to the doctor, our lives are in the hand of viruses. That is why only rich people receive the best treatment. Viruses respect rich people because in the rich people the nastiest, greediest, heartless, and killer viruses live. That is why rich people are worshiped and envied by other viruses.

        Giving blood woudn’t exist ithout the viral gods, the insects.

        • 2009 August 3

          Show’s over. Bye!

    • 2009 July 27

      Last, call me a liar again and you best hope I do not find you as you will find out how military I am!

      Threats are NOT allowed.

    • 2009 July 30
      zunedita373 permalink

      Ah, Neil Reinhart. The gift that keeps on giving. The great One Man Army. You probably think the Schwarzenegger movie “Commando” is a documentary. You’re the kind of guy that even R. Lee Ermey thinks is an asshole. Thank Lourdes for Proud Atheists, huh? Otherwise you’d have nowhere else to go! Where you can be yourself!

  57. 2009 July 27

    Well mzg0001,

    Methinks you should not give blood then. I gave 37 or 38 pints only I had to stop when I got some cancer on my foot and they will not let me give any more. It really pisses me off becaue I know they really need blood and I am now unable to contribute.

    Please, Take Care!

    Neil

  58. 2009 July 27
    Sez Me! permalink

    Neil,
    Think I’ll just sit back and let you rant. You’re proving yourself as unbalanced as any preacher. If you are the usual result of spending time in the military, I’m glad I missed that “wonderful experience”.

    Oh, and don’t forget to throw in a few more “PUKE’s and make a few more threats. Impressive. Really, really impressive…………..

  59. 2009 July 28
    Richard N permalink

    OK, so I told myself I wouldn’t do this, but I just have to…

    I resent being called an “anti-war puke”.
    I am a disabled veteran. I did my fair share.
    But I am also against the ‘type of war’ we find ourselves in (again and again). It’s one thing to defend our country against a real threat such as Hitler or the Japanese. They did have the means to bring the war all the way to the US- if given the chance. I am not near as sure that we should be interfering with sovereign countries whether they harbor terrorists or not. I am not convinced that these terrorists are a valid threat to our country. Sure, a few will do some damage if they can. But I can’t seem to justify the high numbers of casualties, especially civilian, that we are bringing to these countries. What is our “kill ratio” ??? How many of our servicemen and local citizens are killed for each terrorist ??
    Seems the terrorists are doing rather well, huh ?? And it’s because we are there, not here.
    Also– whose idea was it to bring “democracy” to those clowns ?? That’s just stupid. Those countries need to earn it like we did. It can’t be “given” or imposed on folks that have been run by tribal warlords AND religious dogma since the beginning of time. They need to work it out themselves.
    If you want to talk about war, look towards Korea- where there is a REAL threat to our way of life. And even China, down the road.
    Like my Dad said (32 year veteran, 2 tours in Nam, WWII and Korea)- “our last war was WWII, everything since has been an insult to our military”. In context we were discussing why our wars (now) are designed by politicians rather than generals.

    In any event, this is so off topic and I hope Mark will let this die (or start a new blog ?)
    I just wanted to point out that not all “anti-war” folks are misguided or stupid ‘pukes’.
    War should only be a last resort and only when our soil is in danger of being taken by the enemy. Then, annihilate them….

    Richard

    • 2009 July 28
      anon permalink

      i agree it is off topic but i couldn’t let the random insult pass. sorry mark didn’t mean to hijack the blog.

  60. 2009 July 28
    anon permalink

    oh yeah neil
    I think i also forgot to mention the OIL

    the life blood of the US of A . don’t you think that may have an incy wincy little bit to do with it too.

    in 2007 the usa oil consumption per day was 20.68 million bbl/day, now that was 2 years ago.

  61. 2009 August 1
    anon permalink

    just found this and thought may be of interest to you guys.

    Who is this strange Neil C. Reinhardt person that pops up on many websites?
    Neil C. Reinhardt is a man of few words (when he’s using short bursts of comical profanity). Neil C. Reinhardt is also a man of many words (as you will discover while browsing this site). Mr. Reinhardt is into MLM’s (Multi Level Marketing, also known as borderline pyramid schemes such as Melaleuca) and claims to have been drinking Tahitian Noni Juice for several years (distributor #110405) and that he was part of battery B, 321st FA, 101st Airborne (1959-1962).

    Above everything else Mr. Neil C Reinhardt is a self-proclaimed atheist activist and using e-mail addresses such as religionsucks@webtv.com he can be seen on many web forums, in many e-mail boxes, and on countless blogs, where he loves to comment about his views on religion (by telling that everyone who does not think like he does or does not agree with him is therefore by definition a stupid idiot). Mr. Reinhardt is an afficionado of profanities since many people frequently receive e-mails from him containing zero substance and 99 percent profanity, as we will show you on this site.

    While Mr. Reinhardt uses his right to free speech, and deservedly so, it has become clear to many people who helped put together this archive and watch-list of Reinhardtisms that above all else, Mr. Reinhardt is a provocateur who craves attention, any attention. We hope that the attention he now receives through our site will satisfy him endlessly and perhaps keep him active without having to resort to his spam-like behavior on many other sites on the internet.

    Unfortunately for Mr. Reinhardt, this site is the result of many atheists (and religious people also) who consider Mr. Reinhardt to be a bad example. We, as fellow atheists, wish to make clear that Mr. Neil Reinhardt does not speak for all of us even though he often perpetuates the perception that he speaks for all of us. We do not like the bad example he sets and the reputation he brings to the millions of atheists in the world. Unless, of course, that is his intention as an agent provocateur. Many of the members of our site will be monitoring and watching Mr. Reinhardt’s activities on the internet and will maintain and update this site with any new material that comes to light. Mr. Reinhardt has claimed he does not believe in Big Brother so at least we can keep an eye on him without him feeling too scrutinized.

    courtesy of http://reinhardt.worldwidewarning.net/

  62. 2009 August 1
    Richard N permalink

    It interests me that some folks, who are proclaimed atheists, will argue amongst themselves over defining atheism. Isn’t it sufficient that there are as many types of ‘being’ atheist as there are religions ? We seem to have hard-core-anti-everything-religious folks all the way to folks who are atheists and don’t seem to think it’s any big deal- or much of anyone else’s concern. We “all” have our own personal philosophies and agendas.
    I, for instance, don’t harass Christians for their beliefs; I mostly ignore them.
    But I am abhorred by Christians trying to make national policy that affects my life. That really sucks.
    So, even though we are atheists, we are still different and may have athing or tow we can learn from each other.

  63. 2009 August 2

    All these atheists are lily livered. They just look like women arguing, wasting their times saying nothing and just talking to hear themselves. The god of Iraq is Ra and it is this nastiness that is ruling the planet and turn it into war zones. What does the virus named Ra do to its subjects: Kill them of course, steal from them of course, rape them of course, chop them of course, and force them to be religious. Dissect the names of the countries and the tribes and you will find the viral worms they name their gods that make our species kill each other and even sacrifice their own children to these vermins.

    All these people are infected. The viruses don’t recognize them as people, but as their shells and when viruses are fighting against viruses all they care is to dominate. The body of the host, which is for them a car, a tank, an airplane, or whatever extension they want it to be is disposable and can be wrecked. Look at the maimed of the wars that religious people only have fought and you will see how nasty the viruses in these people are. Viruses don’t have heart and cannot feel although they can mimic. No matter that our species call these gods dad, mom, or whatever endearing names, and no matter how many sacrifices they give to them, these gods eat hot blooded species, including us, they cannot love.

    Roaches are one among the nastiest viruses on earth. They are viruses with wings. But the fly virus is the ruler of them all because they multiply more and they can metamorphose from maggots to flies that live on the eagle, which many tribes worship.

    • 2009 August 3
      Richard N permalink

      uh….. gee shit- this is a tough one

      Alienonearth….. it is my humble opinion that you are either taking too many meds or not enough.
      I really tried to interpret what you are saying, but even with metaphors for “virus”, it is beyond me….
      Interesting, though… kinda scary…

      Please tell me that you don’t drive planes or buses for a living….

    • 2009 August 3
      anon permalink

      errrmmm……

      so what you trying to say there Alienonearth?

    • 2009 August 3
      Sez Me permalink

      alienonearth,
      After reading your posts here, I have come to the conclusion that you are aptly named…….VERY aptly named………

    • 2009 August 3
      Tyo permalink

      Alien, I think I might have gone to school with you. You were one of the reasons my friends and I found a house and moved out of the dorm.

  64. 2009 August 3
    Z.L. permalink

    Okay alienonearth… it seems that you’re insulting atheists, theists, pretty much everyone… and that’s the only understandable part of your comment…

  65. 2009 September 1

    Ummmm that alienonearth guy??? What’s wrong with you? Flies and viruses are not living our lives. THis isn’t a weird pseudoreligion blog. We’re at least partly sane here.

  66. 2009 November 27
    GOD IS BULLSHIT permalink

    BELIEVING IN GOD IS BELIEVING IN MAGIC ITS BULL SHIT!!!

  67. 2009 December 7
    psikeyhackr permalink

    Atheists would have everyone believe they are intelligent and scientific. They make a big deal about Darwin but not Isaac Newton. Newton was some kind of weird Christian while Darwin was an atheist. But that does not make Newtonian physics unscientific. Is Darwinism easier for atheists to handle because there isn’t so much math?

    Why haven’t the intelligent, scientific atheists figured out 9/11?

    Let’s just face some simple facts.

    Skyscrapers MUST hold themselves up. They must also sway in the wind. The people who design skyscrapers MUST figure out how much steel and how much concrete they are going to put on every level before they even dig the hole for the foundation.

    After EIGHT YEARS why don’t we have a table specifying the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE that were on every level of the WTC? The NIST report does not even specify the TOTAL for the concrete. The total for the steel is in three places. So even if the planes did it that 10,000 page report is CRAP!

    Conspiracies are irrelevant. The Truth Movement should be marching on all of the engineering schools in the country.

    Watch that Purdue simulation. If a 150 ton airliner crashes near the top of a skyscraper at 440 mph isn’t the building going to sway? Didn’t the survivors report the building “moving like a wave”? So why do the core columns in the Purdue video remain perfectly still as the plane comes in?

    That is the trouble with computer simulations. If they are good, they are very good. But if they have a defect either accidental or deliberate they can be REALLY STUPID once you figure out the flaws.

    The distribution of steel and concrete is going to affect the sway of a skyscraper whether it is from the wind or an airliner.

    ROFL

    • 2009 December 7

      The topic is not “9/11 Conspiracies”.

      Where do you get information about atheists…from Bill O’Reilly? Ann Coulter?

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